Elijah McGuire

[Just1More]

Exactly. You can't look at Fenroy the same way as Eli. Fenroy was a good college football player but I never looked at him and thought he'd be even a serviceable NFL guy. Eli has it.

Absolutely. No comparison whatsoever between those two excellent college RBs. I wasn't sure if Fenroy would measure out when he was tested by the NFL. But it didn't surprise me when he didn't. He had assets in the RB categories at enough of a combined level that made him a great RB in the system we used (most incredible QB/RB combo athlete misdirection handoff ever in college football). But Fenroy didn't peak in any particular RB category (speed, size, cutting ability). Eli is vastly more "shifty", he's actually by the measurements of the NFL "a bigger back" than Fenroy (Fenroy was a "weight lifter" for size - not natural frame size), Eli is quicker... and a very big asset Eli brings to the table is he is a phenomenal receiver. That adds more than doubles his value to the NFL. He can be used as a RB, receiver out of the backfield, slot receiver, and kick/punt return specialist. There really is no comparison to the two. But again... both are fantastic collegiate RBs.

Fenroy was utiltized precisely for what he could offer UL. Eli was squandered last year.

[CRAWFISH61]

There are so many ways I could take this. Ah, the possibilities..

Some of you guys are so uptight. Do you read this board at all? I bust boomers balls on the reg, bro. It's all in fun. I've stated many times that I respect and appreciate all boomer (and his lovely wife) has done for SLI/USL/UL.

(In the words of Stephen A) HOW-EV-AH... His stance on Jalen Nixon is about as absurd as my ridiculous "comparison" to Cosby, and his continued ignoring of reality leaves him open to the ridicule. And I think he knows that.

But to take it a step further.. Suggestioning Boomer is more credible because he coached leather helmet football in 1890 than the next conscientious observer is akin to saying the doctors that put heroine in Bayer aspirin 100 years ago should really be taken seriously.

Take a deep breathe pal.

Your the only one who can bust balls. Your the only one who can be critical. Nothing funny about comparing a good man to a mass rapist. Think before you type. Give Boomer some respect.

[CrappDaddy]

It didn't help that Fenroy didn't have a bowl to showcase his talents. He was good, but he needed a spotlight.

Do you really believe, for example, that Alfred Morris was a better back than Fenroy?

Yes, I do. I bet if you can dig up their respective pro day performances, you'll see that Morris is likely bigger faster and stronger than Fenroy was.

[Just1More]

It was disrespectful not funny. It was tactless not funny. It is pretty funny that people who have never coached think they know more than the professionals. I thought both Haack and Nixon both had to prove that they were college quarterbacks. I don't think either one did it.

I find humor in almost everything. And I found nothing wrong whatsoever in making that silly comment. Being that Boomer isn't remotely associated with sex crimes... and Bill Cosby doesn't know a Nixon from a Haack... you couldn't possibly misinterpret the jab at the credibility bomb MAT tossed... unless you wanted to. MAT knows Boomer and he's trying to blow wind up his skirt.

I've got news for you... every person that played (or even excelled) at a sport is not the most knowledgable person in that sport. I know scratch golfers that can't teach golf. I know average golfers that are phenomenal teachers. I know people that chose to be engineers that would kick the living ____ out of just about anyone in any other profession... but they chose engineering. You don't get to do everything in this short life... but that doesn't mean because you didn't... that you wouldn't destroy others in the "smarts category" of any profession.

The proof of greatness is not in participating. It's in being great. I want Boomer to prove to be a great mind of football. I'm hammering on him to get that started on our forum before it's too late. I fear all we will remember him by is his obsession with secondary sexual characteristics. It's scary what a little information can do to some people.

PS I really like him. If I thought I was doing harm... I'd stop.

[ManAboutTown]

Your the only one who can bust balls. Your the only one who can be critical. Nothing funny about comparing a good man to a mass rapist. Think before you type. Give Boomer some respect.

*You're (You are)

You also need to look up the definition and usage of the word "compare".

As I've said previously, I've complimented Boomer many times and I'm sure he's a good man. This is irrelevant to the fact that he's wrong about many issues, and supports his opinions (not professional opinion, unlike what you've insinuated here) with ridiculous stats.

It is what it is.

[Lexhead]

There is no way on God's green Earth that the NFL will refuse to play anyone that doesn't give them an advantage.

If only this were true.

How do you explain kids that play Canadian ball and them make it in the NFL? Or kids that come up through Arena ball. The NFL missed on those kids because they are blinded to intangibles. They are fixated on metrics. As you point out, there is a lot of money at stake, and they are conservative - afraid to make a mistake, afraid to take a chance - because of that high stakes money. They pass on a lot of good kids because of that. You and I may have legitimate differences of opinion regarding Fenroy's ability to play in the NFL, but I'll fight anyone who says that Andy Martin did not belong there.

BTW, you can make the same "no way on God's green Earth" argument about college ball, and by extension, Hud. There is the same high stakes money involved. People's livelyhoods are at stake. And yet, we can see first hand that sometimes life gets in the way of those pure arguments. Personal biases, conservatism, personal preferences and even plain old myopia make people do things that may be against their best interests.

[Boomer]

I find humor in almost everything. And I found nothing wrong whatsoever in making that silly comment. Being that Boomer isn't remotely associated with sex crimes... and Bill Cosby doesn't know a Nixon from a Haack... you couldn't possibly misinterpret the jab at the credibility bomb MAT tossed... unless you wanted to. MAT knows Boomer and he's trying to blow wind up his skirt.

I've got news for you... every person that played (or even excelled) at a sport is not the most knowledgable person in that sport. I know scratch golfers that can't teach golf. I know average golfers that are phenomenal teachers. I know people that chose to be engineers that would kick the living ____ out of just about anyone in any other profession... but they chose engineering. You don't get to do everything in this short life... but that doesn't mean because you didn't... that you wouldn't destroy others in the "smarts category" of any profession.

The proof of greatness is not in participating. It's in being great. I want Boomer to prove to be a great mind of football. I'm hammering on him to get that started on our forum before it's too late. I fear all we will remember him by is his obsession with secondary sexual characteristics. It's scary what a little information can do to some people.

PS I really like him. If I thought I was doing harm... I'd stop.

----Well again the thing that ____es me off is that the ad hominems take place over factual dialogue----I don't get wrapped up in the trying to get my point to an extent of not being objective----I have spoken to former players and some now coaches that think exactly with me on the QB situation---they love UL and want the best and to some it was a no brainer to start Nixon---I try to look to the total situation --am I always correct??? hell no but I am many times right----and I do read up and talk to coaches about different offenses and defenses----and I HATE to say something bad about a player since I was one and coached them----that is why my opinions deal more with the praise of some and not the obvious flaws of others----but yea, I don't know who these people are, but think it better to keep the discussion to the topic and back up opinions with facts and reasoning and stay away from arguments that are considered false such as "post factum ergo propter factums" and ad hoimnems!!! Thanks guys!!!

[Clutch0364]

It didn't help that Fenroy didn't have a bowl to showcase his talents. He was good, but he needed a spotlight.

Do you really believe, for example, that Alfred Morris was a better back than Fenroy?

College back? No. Pro potential, Alfred Morris had more upside than Fenroy. Fenroy was a 5'9ish 185lb RB without top class speed. He was a 1 cut guy. Morris was a 5'11 220lb thumper.

I love Fenroy but he needed to be able to do more to get on an NFL roster. We never truly got to see what he could do as a pass catcher or special teamer. In order for him to make it he needed to be able to do all the little things.

[CajunEXPRESS]

Well again the thing that ____es me off is that the ad hominems take place over factual dialogue

I don't get wrapped up in the trying to get my point to an extent of not being objective

I have spoken to former players and some now coaches that think exactly with me on the QB situation---they love UL and want the best and to some it was a no brainer to start Nixon---I try to look to the total situation --am I always correct??? hell no but I am many times right

and I do read up and talk to coaches about different offenses and defenses

and I HATE to say something bad about a player since I was one and coached them

that is why my opinions deal more with the praise of some and not the obvious flaws of others

but yea, I don't know who these people are, but think it better to keep the discussion to the topic and back up opinions with facts and reasoning and stay away from arguments that are considered false such as "post factum ergo propter factums" and ad hoimnems!!! Thanks guys!!!

It, ad hoimnems, was cute, and humorous for a while but you've over played it.

[CharlieK]

There are so many ways I could take this. Ah, the possibilities..

Some of you guys are so uptight. Do you read this board at all? I bust boomers balls on the reg, bro. It's all in fun. I've stated many times that I respect and appreciate all boomer (and his lovely wife) has done for SLI/USL/UL.

(In the words of Stephen A) HOW-EV-AH... His stance on Jalen Nixon is about as absurd as my ridiculous "comparison" to Cosby, and his continued ignoring of reality leaves him open to the ridicule. And I think he knows that.

But to take it a step further.. Suggestioning Boomer is more credible because he coached leather helmet football in 1890 than the next conscientious observer is akin to saying the doctors that put heroine in Bayer aspirin 100 years ago should really be taken seriously.

Take a deep breathe pal.

Boomer....such a good football coach/talent evaluator he retired as an insurance salesman (edit: publishing consultant)......


Just teasing Boomer. Maybe.

If only ex coaches and players are allowed an opinion on here...this place will get quiet, and boring.