Elijah McGuire

[ManAboutTown]

Your the only one who can bust balls. Your the only one who can be critical. Nothing funny about comparing a good man to a mass rapist. Think before you type. Give Boomer some respect.

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You also need to look up the definition and usage of the word "compare".

As I've said previously, I've complimented Boomer many times and I'm sure he's a good man. This is irrelevant to the fact that he's wrong about many issues, and supports his opinions (not professional opinion, unlike what you've insinuated here) with ridiculous stats.

It is what it is.

[Lexhead]

There is no way on God's green Earth that the NFL will refuse to play anyone that doesn't give them an advantage.

If only this were true.

How do you explain kids that play Canadian ball and them make it in the NFL? Or kids that come up through Arena ball. The NFL missed on those kids because they are blinded to intangibles. They are fixated on metrics. As you point out, there is a lot of money at stake, and they are conservative - afraid to make a mistake, afraid to take a chance - because of that high stakes money. They pass on a lot of good kids because of that. You and I may have legitimate differences of opinion regarding Fenroy's ability to play in the NFL, but I'll fight anyone who says that Andy Martin did not belong there.

BTW, you can make the same "no way on God's green Earth" argument about college ball, and by extension, Hud. There is the same high stakes money involved. People's livelyhoods are at stake. And yet, we can see first hand that sometimes life gets in the way of those pure arguments. Personal biases, conservatism, personal preferences and even plain old myopia make people do things that may be against their best interests.

[Boomer]

I find humor in almost everything. And I found nothing wrong whatsoever in making that silly comment. Being that Boomer isn't remotely associated with sex crimes... and Bill Cosby doesn't know a Nixon from a Haack... you couldn't possibly misinterpret the jab at the credibility bomb MAT tossed... unless you wanted to. MAT knows Boomer and he's trying to blow wind up his skirt.

I've got news for you... every person that played (or even excelled) at a sport is not the most knowledgable person in that sport. I know scratch golfers that can't teach golf. I know average golfers that are phenomenal teachers. I know people that chose to be engineers that would kick the living ____ out of just about anyone in any other profession... but they chose engineering. You don't get to do everything in this short life... but that doesn't mean because you didn't... that you wouldn't destroy others in the "smarts category" of any profession.

The proof of greatness is not in participating. It's in being great. I want Boomer to prove to be a great mind of football. I'm hammering on him to get that started on our forum before it's too late. I fear all we will remember him by is his obsession with secondary sexual characteristics. It's scary what a little information can do to some people.

PS I really like him. If I thought I was doing harm... I'd stop.

----Well again the thing that ____es me off is that the ad hominems take place over factual dialogue----I don't get wrapped up in the trying to get my point to an extent of not being objective----I have spoken to former players and some now coaches that think exactly with me on the QB situation---they love UL and want the best and to some it was a no brainer to start Nixon---I try to look to the total situation --am I always correct??? hell no but I am many times right----and I do read up and talk to coaches about different offenses and defenses----and I HATE to say something bad about a player since I was one and coached them----that is why my opinions deal more with the praise of some and not the obvious flaws of others----but yea, I don't know who these people are, but think it better to keep the discussion to the topic and back up opinions with facts and reasoning and stay away from arguments that are considered false such as "post factum ergo propter factums" and ad hoimnems!!! Thanks guys!!!

[Clutch0364]

It didn't help that Fenroy didn't have a bowl to showcase his talents. He was good, but he needed a spotlight.

Do you really believe, for example, that Alfred Morris was a better back than Fenroy?

College back? No. Pro potential, Alfred Morris had more upside than Fenroy. Fenroy was a 5'9ish 185lb RB without top class speed. He was a 1 cut guy. Morris was a 5'11 220lb thumper.

I love Fenroy but he needed to be able to do more to get on an NFL roster. We never truly got to see what he could do as a pass catcher or special teamer. In order for him to make it he needed to be able to do all the little things.

[CajunEXPRESS]

Well again the thing that ____es me off is that the ad hominems take place over factual dialogue

I don't get wrapped up in the trying to get my point to an extent of not being objective

I have spoken to former players and some now coaches that think exactly with me on the QB situation---they love UL and want the best and to some it was a no brainer to start Nixon---I try to look to the total situation --am I always correct??? hell no but I am many times right

and I do read up and talk to coaches about different offenses and defenses

and I HATE to say something bad about a player since I was one and coached them

that is why my opinions deal more with the praise of some and not the obvious flaws of others

but yea, I don't know who these people are, but think it better to keep the discussion to the topic and back up opinions with facts and reasoning and stay away from arguments that are considered false such as "post factum ergo propter factums" and ad hoimnems!!! Thanks guys!!!

It, ad hoimnems, was cute, and humorous for a while but you've over played it.

[CharlieK]

There are so many ways I could take this. Ah, the possibilities..

Some of you guys are so uptight. Do you read this board at all? I bust boomers balls on the reg, bro. It's all in fun. I've stated many times that I respect and appreciate all boomer (and his lovely wife) has done for SLI/USL/UL.

(In the words of Stephen A) HOW-EV-AH... His stance on Jalen Nixon is about as absurd as my ridiculous "comparison" to Cosby, and his continued ignoring of reality leaves him open to the ridicule. And I think he knows that.

But to take it a step further.. Suggestioning Boomer is more credible because he coached leather helmet football in 1890 than the next conscientious observer is akin to saying the doctors that put heroine in Bayer aspirin 100 years ago should really be taken seriously.

Take a deep breathe pal.

Boomer....such a good football coach/talent evaluator he retired as an insurance salesman (edit: publishing consultant)......


Just teasing Boomer. Maybe.

If only ex coaches and players are allowed an opinion on here...this place will get quiet, and boring.

[Boomer]

Boomer....such a good football coach/talent evaluator he retired as an insurance salesman......


Just teasing Boomer. Maybe.

If only ex coaches and players are allowed an opinion on here...this place will get quiet, and boring.

--Well actually publishing consultant for 20 years----Oh and how I agree with the opinions----remember Coach T always asking any visitors to practice etc--how he could improve any part of the football program!!! Hell my best and most knowledgeable coach I ever had didn't play even HS sports---won a national championship and state in baseball and a state in basketball----It is when guys have never been in meetings for the last several years have all the answers that gets me----I have no clue why a play was run and they sure don't either----maybe we need a Saturday Ragin Pagin meeting!!!

[Just1More]

----Well again the thing that ____es me off is that the ad hominems take place over factual dialogue----I don't get wrapped up in the trying to get my point to an extent of not being objective----I have spoken to former players and some now coaches that think exactly with me on the QB situation---they love UL and want the best and to some it was a no brainer to start Nixon---I try to look to the total situation --am I always correct??? hell no but I am many times right----and I do read up and talk to coaches about different offenses and defenses----and I HATE to say something bad about a player since I was one and coached them----that is why my opinions deal more with the praise of some and not the obvious flaws of others----but yea, I don't know who these people are, but think it better to keep the discussion to the topic and back up opinions with facts and reasoning and stay away from arguments that are considered false such as "post factum ergo propter factums" and ad hoimnems!!! Thanks guys!!!

I just don't get your victim status with "ad hominem attacks". People clown with you. You need to know that your style of writing... including the content... is humorous. No one is trying to destroy you. You get ridiculed very appropriate to your posting style and content. I think it best you work with it rather than fight it. That's JMO

I vehemently disagree with you on the QB situation this past year. I cannot tell you how much I disagree. And I cannot tell you without a one on one serious discussion as to why statistics are massively misleading in this case. They are essentially useless without the details. And you provided no better "details" for your opinion than anyone else. I'm sorry if you think differently. But you did not. If you got your opinion from an accumulated view from coaches and/or former players... I have even less hope that Hud figures things out for next year.

I'm not going to read nonsense... regardless if it's claimed to be a "professional opinion". There are way more Baldwins than Bryants in the world of football coaches. I'll leave that right there.

Now... please realize you are on a fan forum. Your opinion counts... but it does not trump other opinions. And if you are going to squat on a couple of stats for every argument... without a massive correlating explanation... just leave them at the login window... or accept your thrashing. Those are your choices. Watch and prove me wrong... with or without a stat.

[Boomer]

I just don't get your victim status with "ad hominem attacks". People clown with you. You need to know that your style of writing... including the content... is humorous. No one is trying to destroy you. You get ridiculed very appropriate to your posting style and content. I think it best you work with it rather than fight it. That's JMO

I vehemently disagree with you on the QB situation this past year. I cannot tell you how much I disagree. And I cannot tell you without a one on one serious discussion as to why statistics are massively misleading in this case. They are essentially useless without the details. And you provided no better "details" for your opinion than anyone else. I'm sorry if you think differently. But you did not. If you got your opinion from an accumulated view from coaches and/or former players... I have even less hope that Hud figures things out for next year.

I'm not going to read nonsense... regardless if it's claimed to be a "professional opinion". There are way more Baldwins than Bryants in the world of football coaches. I'll leave that right there.

Now... please realize you are on a fan forum. Your opinion counts... but it does not trump other opinions. And if you are going to squat on a couple of stats for every argument... without a massive correlating explanation... just leave them at the login window... or accept your thrashing. Those are your choices. Watch and prove me wrong... with or without a stat.

----Fair rebuttal but wonder where are your stats and your evidence---I think one way on the subject and you the other---just point out why you think that way and leave out the cut downs of your opponent in the discussion---That is all I think the people on here want---Say what you want but keep personal attacks out----So I await a fair discussion and keep all the personal BS out!!! So I relate the people I have talked to to arrive at my conclusion and wonder how you arrived at your's!!!

[ManAboutTown]

----Fair rebuttal but wonder where are your stats and your evidence---I think one way on the subject and you the other---just point out why you think that way and leave out the cut downs of your opponent in the discussion---That is all I think the people on here want---Say what you want but keep personal attacks out----So I await a fair discussion and keep all the personal BS out!!! So I relate the people I have talked to to arrive at my conclusion and wonder how you arrived at your's!!!

Boomer, if you're a mouth piece or reflection of how our coaching staff thinks, that's a terrifying revelation. It also explains a lot of things to me.

Btw, I've seen only a handful of posters, only a handful of times get "personal" on the board. We throw the term around here waaaaaay too much. For me, I'm just having fun with you and your comments. I never in a million years would think you are taking my jabs "personally".

[Turbine]

----Fair rebuttal but wonder where are your stats and your evidence---I think one way on the subject and you the other---just point out why you think that way and leave out the cut downs of your opponent in the discussion---That is all I think the people on here want---Say what you want but keep personal attacks out----So I await a fair discussion and keep all the personal BS out!!! So I relate the people I have talked to to arrive at my conclusion and wonder how you arrived at your's!!!

I don't know what the final numbers were after a particular point, but on the TD pass to interception ratio that you brought up earlier, do you think being limited to 3 end zone pass attempts from inside the 10 contributed to the low ratio?

[Boomer]

Boomer, if you're a mouth piece or reflection of how our coaching staff thinks, that's a terrifying revelation. It also explains a lot of things to me.

Btw, I've seen only a handful of posters, only a handful of times get "personal" on the board. We throw the term around here waaaaaay too much. For me, I'm just having fun with you and your comments. I never in a million years would think you are taking my jabs "personally".

---I wasn't talking in depth about our staff ---but guys that had coached in both HS and college---As we sat in Kentucky and left with a no brainer of whom the QB should be---but OK this subject is a wrap for me---Don't know about the final tally but maybe a step up in that we are really very concerned about the QB situation---Can't wait for Nixon next year---Kidding love ya!!!