Crowton out at LSU?

[cajunhawk]

_ Was Crowton also running Les' offense at his previous stops? It has been pretty well documented that Crowton's offense has floundered everywhere after great initial success. As far as Chavis, he's one of the highest paid assistants in the country. Pelini had just as much success at LSU under Les. The head coach is responsible for stockpiling talent and surrounding himself with good assistants. While you can argue Miles isn't a great gameday coach, he's done a pretty good job managing the program to four 11 win seasons in his six years at LSU. _

Hypothetically, lets take Chavis out of the picture and reunte Miles with his co-coordinators. You think that team smells, 4 wins this past year? I think your forgetting how suspect his 11 wins are. Lets say the ref crew isn't buzzed down and the play is never reviewed against UT. Let's say the lucky bounce doesn't happen and LSU loses the Florida game. Let's say Bama doesn't shut down in the second half and easily handles LSU. Let's say UNC completes their comeback. Let's say Noel Devine doesn't get hurt and plays the entire game. Let's say Ole Miss pulls out the shocker. As close as LSU was to being 12-0 and winning the SEC west, they were equally as close to 4-8 and missing a bowl game. That's where I can't see giving this guy too much credit. The only credit you can give him is....he wins. Plain and simple. How he does it, no one knows. One thing is for sure...without a good defensive coordinator...Miles is in trouble. Crowton was the fall guy. Should have happened years ago.

[CajunRed]

Crowton in...Crowton out...who cares?

Geaux Cajuns!!

igeaux.mobi

[SlappyCajun]

Hawk... Les Miles has 4 of LSU's 6 11 win seasons. And they were much closer to being 12-0 to being 4-8. That's why you play the game.

I don't like LSU. But to try to diminish Les Miles accomplishments are silly. The guy hires good defensive coordinators, because he is an offensive guy. Of course he would struggle if he didn't have a good defensive coordinator. As would Coach Hudspeth.

He is a winner and has won everywhere he has gone. Including LSU. Plus he will be in preseason national championship talk next year. The on hiccup is when Perrilioux left and he got jammed up at QB. Other than that he is a machine.

[bballholic]

_ Hypothetically, lets take Chavis out of the picture and reunte Miles with his co-coordinators. You think that team smells, 4 wins this past year? I think your forgetting how suspect his 11 wins are. Lets say the ref crew isn't buzzed down and the play is never reviewed against UT. Let's say the lucky bounce doesn't happen and LSU loses the Florida game. Let's say Bama doesn't shut down in the second half and easily handles LSU. Let's say UNC completes their comeback. Let's say Noel Devine doesn't get hurt and plays the entire game. Let's say Ole Miss pulls out the shocker. As close as LSU was to being 12-0 and winning the SEC west, they were equally as close to 4-8 and missing a bowl game. That's where I can't see giving this guy too much credit. The only credit you can give him is....he wins. Plain and simple. How he does it, no one knows. One thing is for sure...without a good defensive coordinator...Miles is in trouble. Crowton was the fall guy. Should have happened years ago. _

What? He recognized the mistake of hiring co-coordinators and fixed the problem. The UT comment makes no sense, they had 13 men on the field and were correctly penalized for it. Ok, I'll give you the bounce at Florida. LSU dominated in statistics and should have won by several more points. Devine had 37 yards on 14 carries. Not sure how much of a difference he was going to make. LSU held WVU to less than 200 yards of total offense, not much else to say there. If you are going to say Bama shutdown in the second half, I guess we can apply that logic to the UNC game and say LSU shutdown in the second half. Also, by using this twisted logic, Auburn could have easily lost 5 games during the regular season. IF Les replaces Crowton with the same caliber coach as Chavis, then hold onto your seats. Another top 10 class on the way and I'm sure you will see a few more 11 win seasons.

[SlappyCajun]

_ What? He recognized the mistake of hiring co-coordinators and fixed the problem. The UT comment makes no sense, they had 13 men on the field and were correctly penalized for it. Ok, I'll give you the bounce at Florida. LSU dominated in statistics and should have won by several more points. Devine had 37 yards on 14 carries. Not sure how much of a difference he was going to make. LSU held WVU to less than 200 yards of total offense, not much else to say there. If you are going to say Bama shutdown in the second half, I guess we can apply that logic to the UNC game and say LSU shutdown in the second half. Also, by using this twisted logic, Auburn could have easily lost 5 games during the regular season. IF Les replaces Crowton with the same caliber coach as Chavis, then hold onto your seats. Another top 10 class on the way and I'm sure you will see a few more 11 win seasons. _

Agree. As much as I dislike LSU. I'm not delusional about how freaking good they are.

[IHateLaState]

While I wont go as far as Hawk, I wold suggest that a&m@br realistically SHOULD have lost 3 more games

1. North Carolina has 2 passes in the hands of their tight end in the last 10 seconds... Plays were not made by a&m... the passes were inexplicably dropped...

2. Tennessee.. yes they had 13 player on the field but they could have has 2 players... the snap over the QB's head had nothing to do with 13 players.... so lets agree Tennessee lost the game in Les Miles fashion

3. Florida - the fake field goal bounces directly into the hands of the kicker... 9 times out of 10 this play fails...

Perhaps the word "fortunate" might be appropriate... no way was this an 11 win team..............

[Sonsissymia]

_ Agree. As much as I dislike LSU. I'm not delusional about how freaking good they are. _

if you talk 'hawk or cajunred or ihate... or any one of my other favorites into ceasing their anti-lsu rants, you and i are going to have a misunderstanding. ['hawk, name the movie re the "going to have a misunderstanding" line---and don't google it]

[Policarp]

I wish it were us that were lucky to have 11 wins 4 times in six years. Access to Talent/quality of coaching is for the most part a cherry picked given for the last decade for LSU@BR. It's no accident.

related subject to consistent performances.......

Coincidence or fact? Large amounts of oversigning, particularly by SEC West could soon be rubbing thin with other BCS conferences. SEC is by good margin the most abusive BCS conference for scholarship oversigning. All this winning may be more than a co-incidence. Could it be there is a unfair advantage from oversigning?

We have an abuser too in the SBC. The most consistent team in SBC in recent years (Troy) is by far the SBC's worst for oversigning. I'd say there are provable facts that support scholarship oversigning creates a competitive advantage.

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[bballholic]

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3. Florida - the fake field goal bounces directly into the hands of the kicker... 9 times out of 10 this play fails...

I guess you missed the segment they did on ESPN the next day? They set up the same scenario and tested it ten times. Interestingly enough, it worked five of the ten times? Was it still a lucky bounce? Sure it was. There is no denying the actual play call that came from Les and company was on the money!

[SlappyCajun]

_ if you talk 'hawk or cajunred or ihate... or any one of my other favorites into ceasing their anti-lsu rants, you and i are going to have a misunderstanding. ['hawk, name the movie re the "going to have a misunderstanding" line---and don't google it] _

I too enjoy the anti-LSU rant as much as anyone. I just don't think it is logical to say that they were almost a 4-8 team. You play games to see who wins, one way or another, Les Miles and LSU have won a bunch of them. I hate them, I won't root for them. Les Miles may be the luckiest man in the universe. He should have bought a lottery ticket a long time ago.

However, I won't try to say that they aren't good.