The future of Robert Lee

[HoustonCajun]

_ Well, I can feel your pain to a certain extent. If you follow college basketball, I'm sure you know that John Brady was ousted last season. I don't think Brady was a bad coach, but it was time for him to leave in my opinion. Having met John a few times, I wish him all the luck at ASU. He was a great defensive coach, but his offensive sets left a lot to be desired. He also made the mistake of shunning the history of LSU basketball, and he burned a lot of bridges in the meantime. I see he's going a pretty good job at Ark St so far and I was hoping to come see him coach in Lafayette (except that LSU hosts Ole Miss that same night). Sometimes, you just need to make a change to get the fan base buzzing again. _

You've been to a couple of games, so you see what this team looks like on the floor. We run no offensive sets, it is all standing around until we are forced to put up last second 3 pointers and, of course, no one is in position to rebound because they are all standing around the perimeter. We have no inbounds pass plays. We play poor defense. All in all, this is a very poorly coached team. UL has always been known for having outstanding athletic talent, but I would argue no basketball IQ. That has been true for a number of years. UL has too much basketball tradition for this to be happening. And, as a result, we have dwindling attendance (and lost revenue). All in all, it is like the Baldwin era in football. Some would argue we can't afford to fire him. I would say we can't afford to retain him. If we finally announce the Ragin Cajun Athletic Fund (RCAF) next month as expected, I would hope that would be the start of major changes at UL, among which would be the ability to buy out contracts when things go south as they are in both men's and women's basketball.

[bballholic]

_ The Cajuns have more talent individually than LSU. LSU is doing more with the talent that they have. _

No offense, but I'd have to respectfully disagree with this comment. I don't put too much stock into star ratings, but it's the best evaluation method we have at this time. I don't know a lot about UL-Lafayette recruiting, but I think they would have a hard time matching these ratings (according to Scout).

Tasmin Mitchell- 5 stars
Delwan Graham- 4 stars
Chris Johnson- 3 stars
Marcus Thornton- 3 stars
Garrett Temple- 3 stars
Bo Spencer- 3 stars
Quinton Thornton- 3 stars
Storm Warren- 3 stars
Chris Bass- 2 stars
Dennis Harris- 2 stars (redshirt)
Garrett Green- 2 stars (medical redshirt)


As far as UL-Lafayette is concerned, I was able to dig up the following players:

Wallace- 3 stars
Grady- 3 stars
Bureau- 1 star
Daigle- 1 star


Again, there are "busts" and "sleepers", but this is the best method of evaluating talent unless you have a chance to watch both teams on a consistent basis. It's also hard to compare numbers from the players given the fact they play in much different conferences. Overall, I think it would be a tough task to prove that UL-Lafayette is indeed more talented than LSU.

[jllanclos]

this is the best method of evaluating talent unless you have a chance to watch both teams on a consistent basis. It's also hard to compare numbers from the players given the fact they play in much different conferences. Overall, I think it would be a tough task to prove that UL-Lafayette is indeed more talented than LSU. _

Correction: this is the best method of evaluating High School talent and a person's best guess of potential future college success.

I'd say that LSU's recruiting has put them in a position to be 2 points better than Louisiana. I think that's a fair estimate given the data available.

[DestinCajun]

The Cajuns have more talent individually than LSU. LSU is doing more with the talent that they have.

I don't know you Bug but I respect your opinions. HOWEVER, we have no one like their Chris Johnson or Tasmin Mitchell. Plus, they have 3 battle hardened seniors who shoot well and handle the ball well. Our best guys are young and still maturing as players. They also need plenty of weight room work.

More individually talented? Uh-huh, not this go around we aren't.

[DestinCajun]

Again, there are "busts" and "sleepers", but this is the best method of evaluating talent unless you have a chance to watch both teams on a consistent basis. It's also hard to compare numbers from the players given the fact they play in much different conferences. Overall, I think it would be a tough task to prove that UL-Lafayette is indeed more talented than LSU.

LSUAMCBR always gets more stars than UL or anyone else instate. We all know that so spare yourself the effort.

When they are healthy and "on" Gradnigo, Bureau and Daigle are all fine offensive players. What we lack most of all is an inside offensive threat and a defensive stopper/rebounder.

You began this thread by posting a question about Coach Robert Lee's future at UL. None of us really knows but the chances are fairly good he will coach out this season and next season. That's about as good an answer as we can give you.

[bballholic]

_ Correction: this is the best method of evaluating High School talent and a person's best guess of potential future college success.

I'd say that LSU's recruiting has put them in a position to be 2 points better than Louisiana. I think that's a fair estimate given the data available. _

First of all, I didn't come to compare the two teams so this will be my last post comparing the talent of the two teams. I wasn't sure how you came to such a conclusion, so I researched both teams from top to bottom.

Here are the star ratings for 13 players from UL-Lafayette:

Bureau- 1 star
Daigle- 1 star
Gradnigo- 3 stars
Johnson- Not rated
McCoy- 2 stars
Gary- 3 stars
Roberson- 3 stars
Batiste- Not rated
Barr-4 stars
Adeife- 1 star
Lago- Not rated
Bloom- 2 stars
Wallace- 3 stars

Total= 13 players with total of 23 stars


Here are the star ratings for 11 players from LSU:

M. Thornton- 3 stars
Mitchell- 5 stars
Spencer- 3 stars
Johnson- 3 stars
Temple- 3 stars
Martin- 4 stars
Q. Thornton- 3 stars
Farrer- 1 star
Warren- 3 stars
Graham- 4 stars
Bass- 2 stars

Total= 11 players with 34 stars

[bballholic]

_ LSUAMCBR always gets more stars than UL or anyone else instate. We all know that so spare yourself the effort.

When they are healthy and "on" Gradnigo, Bureau and Daigle are all fine offensive players. What we lack most of all is an inside offensive threat and a defensive stopper/rebounder.

You began this thread by posting a question about Coach Robert Lee's future at UL. None of us really knows but the chances are fairly good he will coach out this season and next season. That's about as good an answer as we can give you. _

My apologies, I wasn't coming here to talk LSU hoops. However, I will defend my position when certain issues are raised. Guys like Bureau and Daigle are perfect examples of how the "star" system is flawed. There is no doubt these guys could play ball somewhere in the SEC. As far as Lee's situation, thanks for the input.

[jllanclos]

First of all, I didn't come to compare the two teams so this will be my last post comparing the talent of the two teams. I wasn't sure how you came to such a conclusion, so I researched both teams from top to bottom.

Here are the star ratings for 13 players from UL-Lafayette:

Bureau- 1 star
Daigle- 1 star
Gradnigo- 3 stars
Johnson- Not rated
McCoy- 2 stars
Gary- 3 stars
Roberson- 3 stars
Batiste- Not rated
Barr-4 stars
Adeife- 1 star
Lago- Not rated
Bloom- 2 stars
Wallace- 3 stars

Total= 13 players with total of 23 stars


Here are the star ratings for 11 players from LSU:

M. Thornton- 3 stars
Mitchell- 5 stars
Spencer- 3 stars
Johnson- 3 stars
Temple- 3 stars
Martin- 4 stars
Q. Thornton- 3 stars
Farrer- 1 star
Warren- 3 stars
Graham- 4 stars
Bass- 2 stars

Total= 11 players with 34 stars

I came to that conclusion by observing the head to head match up. 81-79.

igeaux.mobi

[bballholic]

_ I came to that conclusion by observing the head to head match up. 81-79.

igeaux.mobi _

Gotcha. I have to give the Cajuns credit, they fought back hard after trailing the entire game. Daigle was in a zone down the stretch, and he made some ridiculous shots. For whatever reasons, LSU played very close games against quite a few in-state schools. In the end, they were all victories for LSU. They seem to be a little more focused now coming off back to back blowout victories against South Carolina and Ole Miss.

[CajunProud]

_ Speaking of the administration, how are things going since Authement retired? Has the new administration showed any signs of taking athletics a little more seriously? LSU is very fortunate they have a cash cow in football that trickles down to the other sports. Thankfully they didn't have to pay too much money for Trent Johnson because Stanford doesn't pay premium coaching salaries. _

I can't really comment on the new administration as Dr. Savoi has only been in office for a few months. What I do know is that we have heard nothing concrete from the new administration in terms of where they see the athletic department in 1, 5, 10 years from now and how they plan on getting us to that next level. Supposedly, we are going to hear something from them on Feb 4, but after 30 years of utter failure and disappointment, I'll have to see and hear it to believe it. My concern is that we still have too many remanants from the old regieme such as our AD, so that it will continue to be politics as usual. We will see.