NFL Draft

[cajunhawk]

Manziel is gonna get the same reception that Eli Manning did...they were trying to kill Eli as early as his first preseason game. Let's see if Johnny can take the pain...or will he wilt from the pressure. I'm still ____ed off I stayed up to watch who the Seahawks draft...and they trade down. Grrr...the struggles of watching your team pick 32.

[Hudsheen#Fired]

One of those was a sure fire first rounder...that being Sammy Watkins. The other...was a slot receiver. Be wary of combine warriors...those guys who wouldn't have sniffed the first round without a good workout. Those are the ones who normally don't show up.

He wasnt a workout warrior, he won the biletnikoff award last year. He had 128 i
catches for 1730 yards and 16 tds

He just happened to run the fastest 40 and the second fastest 20 yards shuffle in the past 10 years

[ManAboutTown]

Let's look at former top 40 times at the combine...shall we?

2013 Marquise Goodwin had the fastest 40 time...and did very little in his first year.
2012 Josh Robinson had the fastest 40 time...hasn't done much since entering the league.
2011 Demarcus Van Dyke had the fastest 40 time...who? Exactly.
2010 Jacoby Ford had the fastest 40 time...he has been an OK wide receiver...but not great.
2009 Darrius Heyward Bey had the fastest 40 time...hasn't done anything at the pro level.
2008 Chris Johnson had the fastest 40 time...finally someone who has done...something.
2007 Yamon Figurs had the fastest 40 time...again...who? Currently in the CFL. Nice.
2006 Tye Hill had the fastest 40 time...journeyman who never did much.

There you see that fastest 40 time mostly means you can run in a straight line...and fast. I'm sure this 5 foot 9 slot receiver will buck the trend.

I'm with you. I hate the trade up and the pick.

[wcd35]

Let's look at former top 40 times at the combine...shall we?

2013 Marquise Goodwin had the fastest 40 time...and did very little in his first year.
2012 Josh Robinson had the fastest 40 time...hasn't done much since entering the league.
2011 Demarcus Van Dyke had the fastest 40 time...who? Exactly.
2010 Jacoby Ford had the fastest 40 time...he has been an OK wide receiver...but not great.
2009 Darrius Heyward Bey had the fastest 40 time...hasn't done anything at the pro level.
2008 Chris Johnson had the fastest 40 time...finally someone who has done...something.
2007 Yamon Figurs had the fastest 40 time...again...who? Currently in the CFL. Nice.
2006 Tye Hill had the fastest 40 time...journeyman who never did much.

There you see that fastest 40 time mostly means you can run in a straight line...and fast. I'm sure this 5 foot 9 slot receiver will buck the trend.

The guy actually produced at college though. If he was some 800 yd/5 TD guy that brought those combine numbers like a lot of the guys listed, I could see calling him a combine warrior, but he was the Biletnikoff winner that was as productive as any WR in the history of his conference.

Also, you mention straight line speed. The guy had the best shuttle times of all WR's as well, so he's a guy that can cut and go as well as any receiver.

All this coming from a guy who's team signed Percy Harvin last year, a player who Cooks reminds me a lot of.

[cajunhawk]

He wasnt a workout warrior, he won the biletnikoff award last year. He had 128 i
catches for 1730 yards and 16 tds

He just happened to run the fastest 40 and the second fastest 20 yards shuffle in the past 10 years

Combine Warriors are the guys who do exceptional things at the combine...and get bumped into the first round because of it. Brandin Cooks was not always a first round guy. Let me throw some names at you...

Jay Cutler
Aaron Curry
Mike Mamula
Adam Archuleta
Jonathan Sullivan (wonder who took him?)
Matt Jones
Vernon Gholston
Darrius Heyward-Bey

More often than not if these guys weren't first rounders before the combine...they shouldn't have been first rounders...PERIOD.

[cajunhawk]

I'm with you. I hate the trade up and the pick.

If I'm the Saints...I stay at 27 and take a CB.

[SlappyCajun]

He wasnt a workout warrior, he won the biletnikoff award last year. He had 128 i
catches for 1730 yards and 16 tds

He just happened to run the fastest 40 and the second fastest 20 yards shuffle in the past 10 years

Right, the phrase combine warrior generally means a guy who has measurables who did not produce up to his measurements at the college level.

This guy is just undersized and quick. There are a ton of undersized speed guys who produce in the NFL. One of them happens to be on the Seahawks.

[wcd35]

Combine Warriors are the guys who do exceptional things at the combine...and get bumped into the first round because of it. Brandin Cooks was not always a first round guy. Let me throw some names at you...

Jay Cutler
Aaron Curry
Mike Mamula
Adam Archuleta
Jonathan Sullivan (wonder who took him?)
Matt Jones
Vernon Gholston
Darrius Heyward-Bey

More often than not if these guys weren't first rounders before the combine...they shouldn't have been first rounders...PERIOD.

And the Seahawks took Curry. Do you need the comment there about who took who?

[BrockMeaux]

He wasnt a workout warrior, he won the biletnikoff award last year. He had 128 i
catches for 1730 yards and 16 tds

He just happened to run the fastest 40 and the second fastest 20 yards shuffle in the past 10 years

As a fan of a rival NFC power, it's Hawk's job to downplay the guy we got.

Besides, he's got - at worst - the speed and hands of the guy Seattle traded first and third round draft picks for. Harvin may be TWO WHOLE INCHES taller than Cooks, but Cooks comes cheaper and without pre-existing injury concerns. On a roster that doesn't have a lot of spots available, I like our move and I'm excited to see how it turns out.

Seattle is also a pretty stacked roster, and there weren't many players there at 32 that were worth that pick with the top corners, linebackers, and offensive linemen gone. Could have seen them going Marqise Lee to replace Golden Tate, but I guess they thought the value was better in dropping to Minnesota's spot in the 2nd. There will be a few good corners and receivers available at that spot.

[cajunhawk]

The guy actually produced at college though. If he was some 800 yd/5 TD guy that brought those combine numbers like a lot of the guys listed, I could see calling him a combine warrior, but he was the Biletnikoff winner that was as productive as any WR in the history of his conference.

Also, you mention straight line speed. The guy had the best shuttle times of all WR's as well, so he's a guy that can cut and go as well as any receiver.

All this coming from a guy who's team signed Percy Harvin last year, a player who Cooks reminds me a lot of.

All these guys produce in college...because they are playing against a different level of talent. Winning awards in college mean nothing...if it did Heisman winners would be guaranteed success.

Do you want me to bring up the 20 second shuttle records? Those guys were just as likely to not pan out as 40 guys. Great he can cut...but they have linebackers in the NFL that can run him down...he didn't have that in the PAC 12.

Harvin was and is a special talent and he did it in the best conference in the nation...not the PAC 12. Also...Harvin was a first rounder without working out. Cooks is not Harvin...