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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandwagon King View Post
    Just went back through the Seattle roster at QB. It is pathetic. I seriously don't know what the so called experts are using to justify Seattle going anywhere but QB with their first pick. They're definitely taking a QB unless the rest of the league screws up & leaves Travon Walker for them.

    Does anyone believe that Atlanta wants to start the season with Marcus Mariota at QB? I don't. And Pittsburgh doesn't have their QB question settled by any means. They might try to move up in this draft if Willis & Pickett come off the board early. While I hate the thought of the Saints trading up for a QB. I like the threat of them trading up for a QB to get others to trade up for a QB thereby solidifying their chances of getting an OT & WR.
    Not that they are a great answer, but I expect Baker Mayfield and Jimmy G to be moved thus filling some of these voids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman66 View Post
    Not that they are a great answer, but I expect Baker Mayfield and Jimmy G to be moved thus filling some of these voids.
    I am just speculating, but these guys must have some big guaranteed money coming to them that nobody wants to pay, or at least contracts no one wants to trade for. In Mayfield's case the Browns may not be to hot to get rid of him just yet due to Watson's situation. I'm so glad the Saints didn't get him. Great player, but way too much baggage, money, draft capital to loose for a guy who has way to much stuff hanging over his head.

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    Goofing with the PFF simulator.

    Before the trade, I take Olave with the 18th and get an A+ for the pick.

    After the trade, I take him with the 16th and get a B+.

    I ran it several times and didn't take him with 16th, and he was always gone save once.

    I took him that one time with the 19th and got the A+ again.

    I wonder, if presented with the scenario and they got the best available tackle and receiver in the 1st, would Loomis/Ireland/Allen go with another receiver (if they are BPA) in the 2nd or 3rd?


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    Looks, like PFF is grading value per position taken.

    If you took him with the first you would probably get a C-


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    Some sad news today for the Pittsburgh Steelers & the family of Dwayne Haskins. It's kind of tough to talk about the business of the game during these times, but it is what it is. Dwayne Haskins was killed in an auto accident today. This will likely change Pittsburgh's decision making process going into the draft with Rothleisburger retiring. It looks like three QBs could be taken in round one now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandwagon King View Post
    Some sad news today for the Pittsburgh Steelers & the family of Dwayne Haskins. It's kind of tough to talk about the business of the game during these times, but it is what it is. Dwayne Haskins was killed in an auto accident today. This will likely change Pittsburgh's decision making process going into the draft with Rothleisburger retiring. It looks like three QBs could be taken in round one now.
    Was thinking the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    The feeling amongst other NFL GM's is the Saints made the move to draft two starters in the Top 20 players, preferably a WR and OL. It will save money because they won't have to sign veteran free agents to fill those positions and they can lock them up on rookie contracts for the next 4 to 5 years.

    If everything works out for them, I'm confident neither pick will be used on a QB. If Shaun Peyton was still HC, I wouldn't be as confident in the front office filling other positions.
    I hope the GMs are right. With protection and weapons Jameis can do good things. The local radio guys here think the only reason this trade was done was that Loomis and company believe that the picks given up will be recouped next year when some team wants to hire Payton. The Saints biggest wild card for the season is whatever suspension Kamara receives. Regardless of how the situation plays out legally, Goodell won't waste an opportunity to suspend a Saint.

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    To me there is no doubt the Saints most glaring need is at offensive tackle & it really has been for a while. A lot of people will say I'm touched, which isn't all that unusual. But the fact is if reliability is the most important ability, Then ten game Terron has been remarkably unstable as a force for the Saints throughout his career. In fact, he never played a full 16 game season for the Saints & only played 15 games in one season. The worst part is that by the time the playoffs arrived each year this guy was using bailing wire & duct tape just to keep body parts from falling off.

    Now, Terron is no longer our problem & best of luck to him in Miami. Having written all of that, I did my own short film study of the top 5 tackle prospects in the draft. What I came up with probably won't agree with many if any experts. But the question I have is how many times have the "experts" been completely wrong in their evaluation?

    1) Ike Ikwanu- It is my understanding that this guy hasn't been playing football very long. Given that fact to go along with his highlight reels & combine performance, this guy is an incredibly talented extremely gifted & physical player with a very high IQ. Not just high football IQ, but the guy has like a 3.5 GPA in school. The word is he's like the nicest guy & biggest nerd away from the field, but a killer on the field & his highlight reels confirm the killer part.

    2) Trevor Penning- This guy is a hulk of a man with a really nasty mean streak. He enjoys winning on every single play. He has extremely good speed for a man his size & the hops to dunk a basket ball so his ability to move is not in question. He shows great footwork & lateral movement on his highlight reels. Not sure how many times he could toss 225 up in the air, but I have seen him power squat 625 pounds. That's about the weight of a piano. I can imagine that anyone who could take a piano & put it on their back & walk around with it can toss 225 around a few times. The only down side on this guy is who did he play against? Well, anyone who saw his Senior Bowl week knows it doesn't really matter what college they came from, he owned every single player he went up against.

    3)Howard Cross- This guy might not be quite as big & maybe not quite as athletic as the other two, but he's still a stud. He's the best fundamental left tackle in this draft. his technique is as good as I've seen from any offensive tackle coming out of college & he's plenty mean & athletic to go along with it.

    4) Bernhard Raimann- This guy is a little tough to make a complete evaluation on since he started out as a tight end for Central Michigan from Austria. So his football time has been limited as well as his time at tackle. He's not quite as athletic as the previously mentioned tackles, but he has plenty of size & from the amount of tape I've seen is a well rounded tackle with good technique. He is somewhat of a project at the tackle position & therefore, I hope the Saints don't get him as he will need time to develop as a left tackle, but has really good potential. Then there's the who did they play against thing again.

    5) Evan Neal- Now this guy has been shoed in as the NUMERO UNO left offensive tackle in this draft. My question is for goodness sakes why? The only reason I'm gonna list this guy as a tackle is because he's on everybody's draft board as a top 5 minimum pick offensive tackle. This guy is as much of a tackle as Tony Mandarich was, maybe less. Can he be a great guard? Yes. Will he be a great guard. Yes, if his head doesn't explode from all of the criticism he will receive for being such a bust at left tackle. There isn't a lot of film on him at left tackle mainly because he's played everywhere on the offensive line except center. He's plenty big & physical, but he lacks great footwork & obviously isn't very athletic. Not only did he duck the combine workouts, he also ducked running at his pro day. With the amount of pressure that is on NFL teams to get guys who can plug & play immediately, there is just no way in hell I would even consider drafting this guy unless I wanted a guard in the first 5 picks of the draft.


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    13. PERCY BUTLER | Louisiana 6001 | 194 lbs. | SR. Plaquemine, La. (Plaquemine) 5/29/2000 (age 21.91) #9
    BACKGROUND: Percy Butler III was born and raised in Plaquemine, a small city 15 miles south of Baton Rouge. He grew up focused on baseball before switching his
    focus to football in middle school. He attended Plaquemine High, where he was four-year letterman as a cornerback and wide receiver. Butler moved to safety as a
    junior and earned Second Team All-State and First Team All-District honors as a senior, leading Plaquemine to an 8-3 record in 2017. He finished his final season with
    91 tackles, eight passes defended, 3.0 tackles for loss and three forced fumbles. Butler also lettered in baseball and track, winning a district championship in the long
    jump (21’8) and regional championship in the triple jump (44’10). He also set personal bests of 11.13 in the 100 meters and 1:00.65 in the 400 meters.
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    A two-star recruit out of high school, Butler was the No. 357 wide receiver in the 2018 recruiting class and the No. 95 recruit in the state of Louisiana. He picked up
    scholarship offers from Louisiana, Southern Miss and Texas State, committing to the Ragin Cajuns. Butler accepted his invitation to the 2022 East-West Shrine Bowl.
    YEAR (GP/GS) TKLS TFL SACK FF PD INT NOTES
    2018: (13/0) 10 0.0 0.0 0 1 0 Missed parts of the season with a shoulder injury
    2019: (14/12) 54 1.0 0.0 3 2 0
    2020: (10/9) 44 2.0 1.0 2 8 2 Honorable Mention All-Sun Belt; Missed one game due to injury
    2021: (13/10) 61 6.0 0.0 0 5 1 Second Team All-Sun Belt; Blocked FG; Missed one game due to injury
    Total: (50/31) 169 9.0 1.0 5 16 3
    HT WT ARM HAND WING 40-YD 20-YD 10-YD VJ BJ SS 3C BP
    COMBINE 6001 194 31 5/8 9 1/8 76 5/8 4.36 2.51 1.46 31 1/2 10’3” - - - (no shuttles or bench press – choice)
    PRO DAY 6002 194 31 1/2 9 1/8 76 1/4 - - - 35 - 4.32 7.01 13 (stood on Combine runs, broad jump)
    STRENGTHS: Unlocks his hips and instantly accelerates to attack alleys … quick to diagnose run-pass and trigger on screens or reverses … takes sound, fast angles
    downhill … covers a lot of ground in pursuit … able to plant and drive to redirect his momentum and chase down the ball … keeps his eyes before his feet as a tackler
    with wide hands to help him finish … looks to strike pass catchers with momentum knock the ball loose … communicates well with the underneath coverage and
    recognizes his leverage from the post … impact special teamer on kickoff coverage and as a gunner on punt coverage (25 career special teams tackles, including eight
    in 2021) … also had a blocked field goal as a senior.
    WEAKNESSES: Slender body type with average bulk on his frame … freelances quite a bit, creating wasted steps for himself … reacts well, but needs to improve his
    anticipation to get more of a head start … inconsistent footwork in match coverage … unbalanced in his transitions and when breaking down as a tackler … comes in
    too hot, leading to some wild open-field misses when he doesn’t gear down … has enough play strength to hang with tight ends and backs in man coverage, but his
    mediocre ball production is disappointing … several NFL scouts mentioned potential durability concerns because of his skinny build; played through a shoulder injury
    as a true freshman, requiring surgery (December 2018).
    SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Louisiana, Butler played free safety in former defensive coordinator Patrick Toney’s man and zone scheme. He was a four-year
    standout on special teams while showing consistently improved play on defense, combining for 105 tackles and three interceptions over his final two seasons. Butler
    flies and flows all over the field with his open-field speed, flashing the initial burst and closing burst to go from A to B in a hurry. However, he doesn’t have the ideal
    body composition for an NFL safety and needs to improve his breakdown skills as a tackler. Overall, Butler needs to play with more control and create more on-ball
    opportunities for himself, but his linear speed and ascending instincts are attractive traits for a developmental safety. His special teams value alone should get
    him drafted.
    GRADE: 5th Round


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    14. MAX MITCHELL | Louisiana 6062 | 307 lbs. | SR. Monroe, La. (Neville) 10/12/1999 (age 22.54) #74
    BACKGROUND: Max Mitchell grew up in Monroe in northern Louisiana and attended Neville High. He was undersized as a freshman (6-2, 165 pounds) and played
    primarily on junior varsity as a sophomore and junior offensive lineman. Mitchell continued to grow and develop, moving up to varsity as a senior (6-5, 270 pounds),
    where he started at right tackle and right guard, leading Neville to an 8-4 record and earning a spot in the 2017 Louisiana I-20 Bowl East-West All Star Game.
    A two-star offensive tackle recruit out of high school, Mitchell was the No. 244 offensive tackle in the 2018 recruiting class and the No. 124 recruit in the state of
    Louisiana. He went overlooked by FBS programs, including his hometown UL-Monroe, and received scholarship offers from lower-level programs like Northwestern
    State (FCS), Arkansas-Monticello (Division II) and Ouachita Baptist (Division II). But with newly hired head coach Billy Napier patching together his first recruiting class
    at Louisiana, he and offensive line coach Rob Sale liked what they saw with Mitchell and gave him his only FBS scholarship offer. After his senior season, he opted out
    of the Ragin’ Cajuns’ bowl game and accepted his invitation to the 2022 Senior Bowl.
    YEAR (GP/GS) POSITION NOTES
    2018: (14/0) Rotated in and out at LT and played near starter-level snaps
    2019: (14/14) 7 RT, 6 LT, 1 LG
    2020: (10/10) 9 RT, 1 LT Second Team All-Sun Belt; Missed one game due to COVID-19 contact tracing (didn’t test positive)
    2021: (13/13) RT First Team All-Sun Belt; Opted out of the bowl game
    Total: (51/37) 29 RT, 7 LT, 1 LG
    HT WT ARM HAND WING 40-YD 20-YD 10-YD VJ BJ SS 3C BP
    COMBINE 6062 307 33 1/2 10 80 3/8 5.32 3.03 1.78 25 8’10” 4.65 8.09 - (no bench press – choice)
    PRO DAY 6060 307 33 5/8 9 7/8 81 1/4 5.34 3.01 1.89 - - - - 21 (stood on Combine jumps, shuttles)
    STRENGTHS: Light mover and keeps his feet underneath him in his pass sets ... has the body control to adjust to moving targets ... keeps his hands quiet, tight and on
    time ... mixes up his hand tactics to keep rushers from getting a read on him ... does a great job knocking away the wrists of rushers ... continues to drive his feet at
    contact in the run game to generate movement ... has the mobility to pull, trap or stalk and stun at the second level (played in a zone-blocking scheme all four
    seasons) ... tough-minded competitor whose confidence grows each season ... was weight deficient for a lineman throughout high school and worked hard with his
    nutrition and strength training in college ... willingly switched positions when asked ... durable and didn’t miss a game due to injury in college.
    WEAKNESSES: Needs to continue adding mass and developing his play strength ... inconsistent anchor and will have trouble versus power ... gets himself in trouble
    when he stops his lateral slide and tries to simply push rushers wide of the pocket ... needs to deliver more of a thump on the move ... struggles to sustain versus
    power in the run game ... his base narrows as a drive blocker and he tends to lose balance when attempting to overcompensate ... needs to show better consistency
    at the second level ... has some experience at left tackle but appears much more comfortable at right tackle.
    SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Louisiana, Mitchell lined up primarily at right tackle in former head coach Billy Napier’s zone-heavy offense. With only one season
    of starting experience on varsity in high school, he could have used a redshirt in college but was thrown into the fire and learned from eventual NFL draft picks Robert
    Hunt and Kevin Dotson. Mitchell moves well and has steadily gotten better with his technique the last three seasons, specifically with his landmarks and hand
    exchange. Somewhat of a late bloomer physically, he can be jostled at contact and his lack of base/core strength shows on tape. Overall, Mitchell was a below-
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    average tester and needs to continue developing his strength, but his play quickness is an asset in pass protection and as a zone run blocker. He does a great job
    reestablishing his hands mid-block. He isn’t ready made for the NFL, but he the potential is there for him to grow into a swing tackle role.
    GRADE: 4th-5th Rouund


    some good write ups on UL guys


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