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[Hatch]

So Hatch, let me ask you. With 10 years to gauge where our program is, what is it that still makes you think Marlin is the guy? We know his record, scheduling and recruiting history so what is it that still makes you think he is the guy to lead our program?

Please show me how where I have stated Marlin is undoubtedly our guy. In this thread I have simply given reasons for why I think this team has come up short for the past 3 years. I have stated before I wouldn’t have a problem if a change was made after this season. I personally wouldn’t make that change (and I don’t think Dr. Maggard will either) due to the circumstances and the way the roster is set up for next year if healthy.

[zephyr]

Please show me how where I have stated Marlin is undoubtedly our guy. In this thread I have simply given reasons for why I think this team has come up short for the past 3 years. I have stated before I wouldn’t have a problem if a change was made after this season. I personally wouldn’t make that change (and I don’t think Dr. Maggard will either) due to the circumstances and the way the roster is set up for next year if healthy.

You have fairly consistently been on the "keep Marlin" side of things which is fine. I am asking an honest question as to why you feel that way. Even with injury issues which IMO once you start seeing them in more than an isolated occasion, you can't really use them as an excuse anymore. Anyhow, you've still had the better part of a decade outside of the years you use for your argument to take a look at our program and evaluate. I'm just curious to know what your evaluation is.

[CajunEXPRESS]

Please show me how where I have stated Marlin is undoubtedly our guy. In this thread I have simply given reasons for why I think this team has come up short for the past 3 years. I have stated before I wouldn’t have a problem if a change was made after this season. I personally wouldn’t make that change (and I don’t think Dr. Maggard will either) due to the circumstances and the way the roster is set up for next year if healthy.

We can be 100% healthy 90% of the season and we’ll still not finish in top 3. Of course anything is possible for the tournament. He’s getting next year, but honestly we’re simply wasting time and dollars on this coach.

[Cajunsmike]

We can be 100% healthy 90% of the season and we'll still not finish in top 3. Of course anything is possible for the tournament. He's getting next year, but honestly we're simply wasting time and dollars on this coach.

I will bet you we finish in top 3 if we are 100 percent healthy for 90 percent of the conference season. I will not bet we will be healthy for 90 percent of season however.

[cajun_lannister]

I will bet you we finish in top 3 if we are 100 percent healthy for 90 percent of the conference season. I will not bet we will be healthy for 90 percent of season however.

We lost to a 5-15 Wyoming team when we were above 90%

[Hatch]

You have fairly consistently been on the "keep Marlin" side of things which is fine. I am asking an honest question as to why you feel that way. Even with injury issues which IMO once you start seeing them in more than an isolated occasion, you can't really use them as an excuse anymore. Anyhow, you've still had the better part of a decade outside of the years you use for your argument to take a look at our program and evaluate. I'm just curious to know what your evaluation is.

So the early part of Marlin's tenure was the takeover of Lee's roster, the fear the beard run, that falling apart and the rebuild, and eventually the tournament run. I did take issue with the amount of roster attrition during that time but you have to give a new coach some time. You could see the improvement going into that 4th season and that ended with the trip to the NCAA so overall no complaints. The next 2 seasons with Long as a Junior and Senior could be looked at as a disappointment because that was certainly a nice piece to build around. However those teams were by no means terrible as they still both finished 4th in conference and made it to the semi finals losing to good teams that would both go on to win a game in the NCCA tournament. It was around this time that I really began to question some of Marlin's defensive philosophies which I still do. The season after that was a clear rebuilding year but that team surprised me and was very competitive. After that is the years I have already discussed.

I have seen others compare Marlin to Bustle and I think that is pretty accurate. If Bustle would have been here a decade later he would have made a few bowl games because of the way football and the Sunbelt's place in the FBS has changed. I think his tenure would be looked at slightly different because of that but yes nowhere near the same light as Napier's is. In comparison I think that mid major basketball has changed as well, and what a lot of this fan base views as success is harder to achieve than it was 20 years ago. An example is the Jessie Evan's teams from 02 and 03 would not be in the NIT but instead sitting at home or (gasp) playing in the CIT today because they weren't regular season or tournament champs.

Like I said I am by no means fully supportive of Marlin but I do think I look at things and measure success different than some others here.

[cajun_lannister]

So the early part of Marlin's tenure was the takeover of Lee's roster, the fear the beard run, that falling apart and the rebuild, and eventually the tournament run. I did take issue with the amount of roster attrition during that time but you have to give a new coach some time. You could see the improvement going into that 4th season and that ended with the trip to the NCAA so overall no complaints. The next 2 seasons with Long as a Junior and Senior could be looked at as a disappointment because that was certainly a nice piece to build around. However those teams were by no means terrible as they still both finished 4th in conference and made it to the semi finals losing to good teams that would both go on to win a game in the NCCA tournament. It was around this time that I really began to question some of Marlin's defensive philosophies which I still do. The season after that was a clear rebuilding year but that team surprised me and was very competitive. After that is the years I have already discussed.

I have seen others compare Marlin to Bustle and I think that is pretty accurate. If Bustle would have been here a decade later he would have made a few bowl games because of the way football and the Sunbelt's place in the FBS has changed. I think his tenure would be looked at slightly different because of that but yes nowhere near the same light as Napier's is. In comparison I think that mid major basketball has changed as well, and what a lot of this fan base views as success is harder to achieve than it was 20 years ago. An example is the Jessie Evan's teams from 02 and 03 would not be in the NIT but instead sitting at home or (gasp) playing in the CIT today because they weren't regular season or tournament champs.

Like I said I am by no means fully supportive of Marlin but I do think I look at things and measure success different than some other's here.

So why pay him a top dollar if we should not expect sustained success. Could put the extra 200-300k to use elsewhere in the department. If he was making what Richard I could understand keeping him around, but as the top paid guy in the league, he has to provide some kind of return on investment more than once every 10 years.

[zephyr]

So the early part of Marlin's tenure was the takeover of Lee's roster, the fear the beard run, that falling apart and the rebuild, and eventually the tournament run. I did take issue with the amount of roster attrition during that time but you have to give a new coach some time. You could see the improvement going into that 4th season and that ended with the trip to the NCAA so overall no complaints. The next 2 seasons with Long as a Junior and Senior could be looked at as a disappointment because that was certainly a nice piece to build around. However those teams were by no means terrible as they still both finished 4th in conference and made it to the semi finals losing to good teams that would both go on to win a game in the NCCA tournament. It was around this time that I really began to question some of Marlin's defensive philosophies which I still do. The season after that was a clear rebuilding year but that team surprised me and was very competitive. After that is the years I have already discussed.

I have seen others compare Marlin to Bustle and I think that is pretty accurate. If Bustle would have been here a decade later he would have made a few bowl games because of the way football and the Sunbelt's place in the FBS has changed. I think his tenure would be looked at slightly different because of that but yes nowhere near the same light as Napier's is. In comparison I think that mid major basketball has changed as well, and what a lot of this fan base views as success is harder to achieve than it was 20 years ago. An example is the Jessie Evan's teams from 02 and 03 would not be in the NIT but instead sitting at home or (gasp) playing in the CIT today because they weren't regular season or tournament champs.

Like I said I am by no means fully supportive of Marlin but I do think I look at things and measure success different than some others here.

I think its the opposite. Years ago the tournament field was smaller and rankings were a much bigger component to postseason access. Now. there are more metrics to view teams and compare. I believe the landscape, especially this year, is much more wide open. Other schools have been able to build programs to where many don't feel they are mid majors any more. I think its the opposite. I think some people make it out to be harder than it is.

So basically, back to Marlin and in ten years it started off promising to have hit a lull and now we are in a downward spiral. If you agree with that as that is the impression I got from your overall view why is it not time to consider other options? When is enough enough?

[CajunVic]

I think its the opposite. Years ago the tournament field was smaller and rankings were a much bigger component to postseason access. Now. there are more metrics to view teams and compare. I believe the landscape, especially this year, is much more wide open. Other schools have been able to build programs to where many don't feel they are mid majors any more. I think its the opposite. I think some people make it out to be harder than it is.

So basically, back to Marlin and in ten years it started off promising to have hit a lull and now we are in a downward spiral. If you agree with that as that is the impression I got from your overall view why is it not time to consider other options? When is enough enough?

Not yet, baby cakes.

[ULGrad@HOU]

When Marlin was hired, I thought he would help elevate the program to a higher level. In reality, he never was able to gain traction on any positives he obtained and as soon as things looked more promising, then the slippage would occur. I can't see how anyone would expect anything different than what we have already seen. Interest continues to decline, time goes by.