Something I noticed about Jay Walker & BEV

[Just1More]

The goal is obviously to become big time, but I think people have a gross misunderstanding of how much time, money, momentum, and effort it takes to become big time. We've still got a ton of work to do before we start recruiting on the same level as other "big time" programs.

Who cares about those that have the "gross misunderstanding"? The people that I read and listen to are people that have extremely realistic expectations, and have enough non emotional cognitive function to analyze and discuss college football.

They (we) are talking about showing improvement in the battle for a "W" against teams that are talented and well coached. Is it really a "gross misunderstanding" to expect to play football well enough against those competitors, to at least be in the contest at some point... with a Hudspeth team in his 4th year at the helm... after three 9 win seasons?

And when did Tech become a "big time" opponent? We've got a ton of work to do in our coaching department that has absolutely nothing to do with recruiting/talent... in order to even be somewhat competitive against decent teams.

This nonsense that leaps the conversation from detailing some flaws that need to be addressed... to "big time" talk... is a torpedo move to just shut down all criticism... and it is BS.

[pathfinder]

This athletic program has never been able to "seize the moment." Money, bricks, extra seating, raising salaries, and capital campaigns only go so far. Until you knock off a major team every now and then, you will never get the respect you are thirsting for. I have followed UL athletics for a while, and every time one of the major sports has the opportunity to take the next step the ball is dropped. I'm not sure why this happens but it always does. We have been told that our recruiting is on another level, I have some reservations about that. So we can talk about improving facilities, X's and O's, and the name issue all we want. But until you knock off Florida like you had a chance to do two years ago, until we win a NCAA game in basketball, and until we win a Super-Regional like we could have it all doesn't matter.

[ImperialCajun]

Under Hud, in OOC games, we are (take from it what you will):

0-7 - P5 - avg. loss 48-24
6-1 - G5 - avg. win 31-27

Here are the P5 games we have played under Hud - no wins to date:

2011

Ok State - 61-34 L
Arizona - 45-37 L

2012

OK State - 65-24 L
Florida - 27-20 L

2013

Arkansas 35-14 L
Kansas State 48-27 L

2014

Ole Miss 56-15 L

Here are the G5 OOC games we have played under Hud:

2011

Kent State 20-12 W
SDSU 32-30 W (N.O. Bowl)

2012

Tulane 41-13 W
E. Carolina 43-34 W (N.O. Bowl)

2013

Akron 35-30 W
Tulane 24-21 W (N.O. Bowl)

2014

LA Tech 48-20 L
Boise State - TBD

Yes, I know this. But the fact is that we are little better off, than we were 4 years ago. We were not beaten by Latech, but were humiliated, and we were already out of the Miss. game before the first quarter was done. If I am paying extra, then I want extra. I see no progress and only back sliding with his recruits. But I will not blame this on those kids. This goes squarely on the shoulders of Hud and staff! We are being out coached. If McNeese can take Nebraska to the wire, then we should at least at this point be in the game. We are not!

[CajunRebel]

Who cares about those that have the "gross misunderstanding"? The people that I read and listen to are people that have extremely realistic expectations, and have enough non emotional cognitive function to analyze and discuss college football.

They (we) are talking about showing improvement in the battle for a "W" against teams that are talented and well coached. Is it really a "gross misunderstanding" to expect to play football well enough against those competitors, to at least be in the contest at some point... with a Hudspeth team in his 4th year at the helm... after three 9 win seasons?

And when did Tech become a "big time" opponent? We've got a ton of work to do in our coaching department that has absolutely nothing to do with recruiting/talent... in order to even be somewhat competitive against decent teams.

This nonsense that leaps the conversation from detailing some flaws that need to be addressed... to "big time" talk... is a torpedo move to just shut down all criticism... and it is BS.

You're reading me wrong here. I'm not saying you shouldn't criticize the coaching staff. You should. It's on them and them alone.

And no, I certainly don't consider Tech to be big time.

I'm talking about program building here. It's one thing to rise above Sun Belt, MAC, and C-USA schools. Its not that hard to do since these schools have about the same resources we do. It's a much different thing to start to compete with and beat SEC and Big XII schools. That's big time. They have big time stadiums, facilities, prestige, and money. We're not going to start out recruiting those schools any time soon. I think lots of people here had unrealistic expectations about us competing with these major conference schools. We're not there yet. I think we have a chance to get there, but that's a much, much bigger mountain to climb.

[CajunRebel]

This athletic program has never been able to "seize the moment." Money, bricks, extra seating, raising salaries, and capital campaigns only go so far. Until you knock off a major team every now and then, you will never get the respect you are thirsting for. I have followed UL athletics for a while, and every time one of the major sports has the opportunity to take the next step the ball is dropped. I'm not sure why this happens but it always does. We have been told that our recruiting is on another level, I have some reservations about that. So we can talk about improving facilities, X's and O's, and the name issue all we want. But until you knock off Florida like you had a chance to do two years ago, until we win a NCAA game in basketball, and until we win a Super-Regional like we could have it all doesn't matter.

You've got to build the foundation to compete with these schools.

[Bandwagon King]

The saints loss was disappointing and worthy of discussion as always but while the Cajuns were not necessarily expected to go in and win at Ole Miss, the nature of being "big time" is to not get destroyed like we did and that certainly deserves discussion as well. The fact that we haven't been competitive the last two games is what is weighing on people's minds, not the fact that we lost both games.

This- Thank you.

[Bandwagon King]

The goal is obviously to become big time, but I think people have a gross misunderstanding of how much time, money, momentum, and effort it takes to become big time. We've still got a ton of work to do before we start recruiting on the same level as other "big time" programs.

I don't think it's a gross misunderstanding. And I don't think we are "So Far Away" talent wise. And that's what bothers me. There isn't anyone on this board who can tell me that Jamal Robinson, Elijah McGuire, Harris,half our O Line, Juicy, Trae Johnson, Anyama, & several others which I've omitted couldn't play on any fricking college roster in this country. They just aren't playing together like a team on either side of the ball long enough to put scoring drives together, or stop anyone for three straight downs, or turn the ball over enough to give our guys a chance to be competitive. A lot of this has to do with guys buying their own preseason hype & it doesn't matter where that hype came from. When you allow your guys to buy into the belief that you can give 65% effort & not walk away with your behinds severely kicked by another team which is just as talented, or even more talented giving 100% effort the whole time, then you have a discipline problem.

When you can't cover gravy with rice while not putting any pressure on the QB because your too busy rushing three & four against five from the very same spot & the very same angle play after play, then you have a scheme problem. Couple that with not ever throwing the ball down the field more than we do with better success any more because we quite simply haven't taken the time to develop our receiving corps, tight ends, or our QBs any more than we have. Then you have a philosophy problem.

I hate to say it. And I would love to be the last to say it. But I aint guessing. I already know. This staff took it's foot off the pedal a while back. And they've been coasting ever since. I don't give a rip about twenty seven wins & three New Orleans Bowls. Football is a what have you done for me lately sport. And I I'm not seeing much right now for the money we're dolling out. The problem is when you appear to be going in this direction, then before it rears its head for the public, its usually been going on in private for a while. And it is highly unlikely it will be corrected in the middle of the season.

[CajunSaint08]

Not that this thread hasn't already gone completely off topic from the original post....Jay Walker not talking about the Cajuns after a lost, but I do have a question with regards to Cajuns, conference association, and recruiting.

And this may not be the best place to ask, but here goes.

Would being associated with another (more prestigious) conference (other than CUSA) automatically upgrade the Cajuns recruiting possibilities? Would conference affiliation get the coaches foot in the door of more 4 star and 5 star recruits?

Or no matter the conference, UL will always get the same type of athletes with an occasional 3 star billing?

Just curious?

[Bandwagon King]

Not that this thread hasn't already gone completely off topic from the original post....Jay Walker not talking about the Cajuns after a lost, but I do have a question with regards to Cajuns, conference association, and recruiting.

And this may not be the best place to ask, but here goes.

Would being associated with another (more prestigious) conference (other than CUSA) automatically upgrade the Cajuns recruiting possibilities? Would conference affiliation get the coaches foot in the door of more 4 star and 5 star recruits?

Or no matter the conference, UL will always get the same type of athletes with an occasional 3 star billing?

Just curious?

Brother, I think your questions are totally appropriate for this thread. The underlying point of the thread was that there has been very little to zero Cajun football talk promoted on BEV the last six sessions. So to subsidize the lack of leadership at the local media level a few of conscientious posters have taken it upon themselves to discuss the shortcomings of this Cajuns team in a deeper way without fear of retribution from the powers that be. To me the bottom line is as long as people are talking at least they're not walking. Its when the talking stops that the panic alarm should go off.

[ManAboutTown]

You're reading me wrong here. I'm not saying you shouldn't criticize the coaching staff. You should. It's on them and them alone.

And no, I certainly don't consider Tech to be big time.

I'm talking about program building here. It's one thing to rise above Sun Belt, MAC, and C-USA schools. Its not that hard to do since these schools have about the same resources we do. It's a much different thing to start to compete with and beat SEC and Big XII schools. That's big time. They have big time stadiums, facilities, prestige, and money. We're not going to start out recruiting those schools any time soon. I think lots of people here had unrealistic expectations about us competing with these major conference schools. We're not there yet. I think we have a chance to get there, but that's a much, much bigger mountain to climb.

After the 3 previous seasons, a win against Tech and competing (like we did with Blaine in Ok St and TB at Florida) in the Mississippi game,you would not be making this statement.