OT: Bye Bye Common Core...

[Duggie35]

From what I understand the biggest causes of poor school performance are things you can’t fix in a classroom. There is a distinct causal relationship between poor school performance and issues like poverty, broken homes, etc. If you’re a kid living in a poor household, your single mother has to work long hours to make ends meet, or you’re dealing with family issues at home, your schoolwork will obviously suffer.

It shouldn’t surprise anyone that the poorest states in the US also have the worst educational performance. And it shouldn’t surprise anyone that the US, which has more income inequality and higher poverty than almost every other first world country, would also have worse school performance despite spending more money than they do.

I don't disagree, but wouldn't it make more sense to let those individuals (regardless of circumstances) who are not caught up (or can overcome) in those type of situations to advance at a different pace that leads to bigger and better things, rather than holding them back waiting on the less privileged to attempt to catch up? Then the system could group those that struggle or are slower to learn and implement specialized programs in an "attempt" to assist them as needed.

Regardless of if one is white, black, green, yellow, rich, poor, African, Asian, French or English etc., we are not all equal (regardless if the government tries to make it that way) in the ability to learn and comprehend. One size does not fit all. Never has, never will!

[CharlieK]

That's the same as comparing Football recruits to Baseball recruits. Parent involvement has nothing to do with it, and the cost of entry has everything to do with it. You are dealing with a better group of students in general, due to socioeconomics. Trust me...I went to a private school...most of the parents neglected their kids the same as public schools parents did...they just threw money at the issue instead of asking someone else to fix the issue.

Bull____. When parents have skin in the game, IN GENERAL they are more involved. I went to private school and without the parents being extremely involved the lights wouldn't have stayed on. Most of these parents were making tough choices to spend money send their kids there....and they made sure the kids were not wasting it.

Putting skin in the game makes all the difference.

Why do you think those students are better students due to socioeconomics? What MAKES them better? It's the parental involvement. Poor kids with parents who push them and who are involved, will have a much better chance to succeed. That seems almost irrefutable.

[Duggie35]

I also have to guess that the majority of kids that see their parents get out of bed each morning and head out to work everyday, would tend to have a little more work ethic engrained in their lives than those that don't.

[CajunJack55]

Bull____. When parents have skin in the game, IN GENERAL they are more involved. I went to private school and without the parents being extremely involved the lights wouldn't have stayed on. Most of these parents were making tough choices to spend money send their kids there....and they made sure the kids were not wasting it.

Putting skin in the game makes all the difference.

Why do you think those students are better students due to socioeconomics? What MAKES them better? It's the parental involvement. Poor kids with parents who push them and who are involved, will have a much better chance to succeed. That seems almost irrefutable.

Parent involvement at home is crucial, especially when you have a child that requires special attention but there are also a lot of parents who are in denial and do not give the child the required help he needs at home and at school. My wife is a first grade teacher at a very good school district in the Houston area. She has a few kids who are not even on Kindergarten level and have major behavior issues. Not only are the parents in denial, the school ties the teacher's hands... she is not allowed to give the kid an F and the kid does not get punished for behavior issues. They will pass the poor kid to 2nd Grade. It only hurts the kid. My wife gets paid relativity well but it is not nearly enough for what they put up with.

[Duggie35]

My wife gets paid relativity well but it is not nearly enough for what they put up with.

AMEN Brother!

[cajunhawk]

Bull____. When parents have skin in the game, IN GENERAL they are more involved. I went to private school and without the parents being extremely involved the lights wouldn't have stayed on. Most of these parents were making tough choices to spend money send their kids there....and they made sure the kids were not wasting it.

Putting skin in the game makes all the difference.

Why do you think those students are better students due to socioeconomics? What MAKES them better? It's the parental involvement. Poor kids with parents who push them and who are involved, will have a much better chance to succeed. That seems almost irrefutable.

The majority of kids at private schools are not there out of necessity. They are there because money isn’t an issue. There are bad parents at every level of social class...the only difference is money. You have a fairy tale view of how private schools work.

[cajunhawk]

I also have to guess that the majority of kids that see their parents get out of bed each morning and head out to work everyday, would tend to have a little more work ethic engrained in their lives than those that don't.

I’ve met better people at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder, than at the top.

[CharlieK]

The majority of kids at private schools are not there out of necessity. They are there because money isn’t an issue. There are bad parents at every level of social class...the only difference is money. You have a fairy tale view of how private schools work.

Of course there are bad parents at every level, I never said there wasn't.

I said IN GENERAL private school kids' parents are more involved. And parental involvement is the number 1 driver (in my opinion) in the success or failure of kid.

I went to and have now sent my kids to private school. I know all about them.

[Duggie35]

I’ve met better people at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder, than at the top.

I don't disagree, but in most (not all) cases, to make money one has to go to work, take responsibility for your own life and understand that getting ahead with a decent life means not putting your future in the hands of the government at any level.

[cajunhawk]

Of course there are bad parents at every level, I never said there wasn't.

I said IN GENERAL private school kids' parents are more involved. And parental involvement is the number 1 driver (in my opinion) in the success or failure of kid.

I went to and have now sent my kids to private school. I know all about them.

Having been sent to private schools as a child, and sending my child to a public school, I see the same level of involvement. That’s the fairy tale you subscribe to.