Solar

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Originally Posted by Big Buds

It’s basically playing pretend in the world of energy.

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I’d say it’s comical but our tax dollars are being wasted/embezzled by this farce.

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Originally Posted by crazycajun

I’d say it’s comical but our tax dollars are being wasted/embezzled by this farce.

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Facts

I counted over 30 wind turbines while driving through a valley in central Pennsylvania heading towards Penn State earlier this summer. Only 2 were barely rotating.

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Originally Posted by CajunNation

Electric/Solar/Wind is window dressing. The real conversion from Fossil is Nuclear. Specifically, this....

https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/n...reactor-design

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Absolutely. Nothing comes close to the new nuclear designs as far as being green and being able to meet demands 24/7. This isn't the plants of old and some of the new designs can actually use the waste fuel from the older reactors.

While we chase unicorn farts, China is preparing to take over the world...

https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sist...eactor-n570540

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Yesterday, the Chinese dropped the core module into the world’s first commercial small modular nuclear reactor.....

....…Once completed, the reactor will produce one billion kilowatt hours of electricity annually to power 526,000 households. In addition to providing carbon-free energy, the reactor will provide additional benefits such as urban heating and cooling, steam production, and seawater desalination. This is expected to fresh water in areas where conventional reactors are not feasible.

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Originally Posted by crazycajun

$15k powerwalls? so $60k in powerwalls? that comes out to a $420 a month electric bill for 12 years just to break even on the battery banks and they wont last 12 years. That doesnt even begin to consider the cost for a solar roof.

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There are instances.

I was paying $500 a month to drive my diesel box truck home every night.

In 2020 I decided to keep the truck parked in Lafayette and get a cheap electric car ($8,900) to drive back and forth.

My electric bill went up $40.

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Originally Posted by crazycajun

how about when its 115 degrees outside and you running 2 ac units? how much battery bank you think you need to run that? have you ever seen a battery bank on an offshore platform? Batteries are toxic, extremely toxic. Its just not practical, not down here anyway and it for damn sure isnt green. The batteries, the panels, and the windmills..,nothing green about them. It takes more energy to produce a windwill than it could ever put out, counterproductive.

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Battery technology today is not a practical solution. There are some technologies in development (i.e. iron oxide) that are promising but have yet to deliver. Wind & solar have there place today but it is very specific to certain locations & environments. It currently is not a viable alternative for developed countries such as the U.S. where we have high demand and developed infrastructure. It is mind blowing to see some of the statistics that show solar as being cheaper than all other energy sources. Lends credence to that fact...50% of all statistics are made up.

I have no issue with solar/wind/wave or any other alternative forms of energy but they have to come into their own and we aren't there yet for developed countries. They are perfect for isolated communties or under developed countries.

This issue is similar to self-driving cars. There was a recent article about an engineer who left the automotive industry and moved to agriculture because the autonomous vehicle systems he was working on are a ways off for main stream automotive but could be put to use right now for agriculture. Many of these alternative energy systems are similar. They have a niche market right now but are not ready for widespread deployment.

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Originally Posted by Turbine

There are instances.

I was paying $500 a month to drive my diesel box truck home every night.

In 2020 I decided to keep the truck parked in Lafayette and get a cheap electric car ($8,900) to drive back and forth.

My electric bill went up $40.

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And that is the point. It works in some cases but not in all cases. Right now there are a lot of people who have been led to believe that electric vehicles and alternative energy can replace every fossil fueled system on the planet and it isn't anywhere close to being true. Niche markets.....

The new Ford electric pickups are currently getting racked over the coals (pun intended) because they aren't coming close to performing as touted. If you want to look cute on your 10 mile commute to work and back they are great. Want to use it as a work truck like your old F150 and you are gonna be dissappointed.

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Originally Posted by Turbine

There are instances.

I was paying $500 a month to drive my diesel box truck home every night.

In 2020 I decided to keep the truck parked in Lafayette and get a cheap electric car ($8,900) to drive back and forth.

My electric bill went up $40.

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that is a terrible analogy, go buy an all electric box truck and compare your expenses. you could have bought a honda civic and did the same thing.

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Originally Posted by crazycajun

that is a terrible analogy, go buy an all electric box truck and compare your expenses. you could have bought a honda civic and did the same thing.

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No a Civic couldn't.

I drain my battery every day and recharge it every night at home, six days a week.

Last month my entire Slemco electric bill was $119

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Originally Posted by Turbine

No a Civic couldn't.

I drain my battery every day and recharge it every night at home, six days a week.

Last month my entire Slemco electric bill was $119

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And your point? Wait until you have to change the battery in it, you could buy a civic and drive it 50,000 miles and break even the equivalent financially of what you did. If electric was worth it, the government wouldn’t have to subsidize it. They wouldn't give you a tax credit, bc it would be smart fiscally and everyone would do it…but it’s not so they have (we) have to subsidize the cost. That wall you plug it into isn’t run off the sun or wind either.

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Originally Posted by crazycajun

And your point? Wait until you have to change the battery in it, you could buy a civic and drive it 50,000 miles and break even the equivalent financially of what you did. If electric was worth it, the government wouldn’t have to subsidize it. They wouldn't give you a tax credit, bc it would be smart fiscally and everyone would do it…but it’s not so they have (we) have to subsidize the cost. That wall you plug it into isn’t run off the sun or wind either.

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Slow down with the wild talk, my point is "There are instances."

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Originally Posted by Louisiana84

Solar farms are kinda dumb, but being off grid using solar IS smart. In fact, solar is way cooler than I ever thought.

If every American could get his energy from domestic sources like solar that would be great. One day technology will safely allow us to have mini nuclear reactors in our backyards. This business of running wires all over the world to bring electricity into our houses is just plain dumb. Tanker trucks burning fuel to haul fuel to a "gas station" is so last century.

I drive electric. My electricity is domestically sourced and generated by Louisiana natural gas. Keep it local, that's my thing. When I can afford it, solar panels are going on my roof. Don't want my energy coming from somewhere that finances terrorism. That puts our sons and daughters in harm's way. Hopefully, the next election brings us a president who understands the importance of energy independence. Drill,

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Well at least you embrace other forms of energy. I think.

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Originally Posted by crazycajun

And your point? Wait until you have to change the battery in it, you could buy a civic and drive it 50,000 miles and break even the equivalent financially of what you did. If electric was worth it, the government wouldn’t have to subsidize it. They wouldn't give you a tax credit, bc it would be smart fiscally and everyone would do it…but it’s not so they have (we) have to subsidize the cost. That wall you plug it into isn’t run off the sun or wind either.

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He told you what it cost him. You're making up battery replacement.

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Originally Posted by Louisiana84

When it comes to solar and wind, power storage is application-specific. You need what you need. If your wife is perimenopausal, you will need a lot.

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LMAO!!! Damn I miss the Eaque Tree? Thats hilarious George.

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Lot of misinformation in this thread from people who are talking about things they've read about... but have not actually experienced. I have more experience with this technology than you do, I understand it, and I am satisfied with it. Don't Google it. Try it. Use it and learn.

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Originally Posted by Turbine

Slow down with the wild talk, my point is "There are instances."

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But there really aren’t, if it was cheaper, better and easier the government wouldn’t have to convince people to do it. It’s not green and the energy it take to build electric and run then is still pursued by the sources people think they are avoiding. It’s a scam.

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Originally Posted by Louisiana84

Lot of misinformation in this thread from people who are talking about things they've read about... but have not actually experienced. I have more experience with this technology than you do, I understand it, and I am satisfied with it. Don't Google it. Try it. Use it and learn.

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I know the price of a Tesla powerwall, that doesn’t take some special knowledge. I can do simple math. $60k I’m just battery takes a lot if electric bills to get your money back. I’ve had camps off the power grid my whole life, I know plenty about powering a home without a utility company and have experimented with them all and nothing beats a generator when it comes to cost and reliability.

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Originally Posted by ultracajun

He told you what it cost him. You're making up battery replacement.

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Of course, do you not think electric vehicle batteries need replacement? They are half the value of the car

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Originally Posted by crazycajun

that is a terrible analogy, go buy an all electric box truck and compare your expenses. you could have bought a honda civic and did the same thing.

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By chance my eldest was looking at a hybrid Civic upon graduation years back. I did a simple analysis vs the IC model based on each’s MPG and the 8k premium for the hybrid (gas was over $2). Figure maintenance the same (no battery replacement involved). The end result, based solely on city driving, it would have taken ~600k miles to recoup the 8k premium, highway mileage was over 800k miles. Bought a Subi.

Now you have to factor in battery replacement, insurance difference and soon homeowner’s insurance increase and state mileage tax. Don’t think those two items aren’t going unnoticed.

Straight apples to apples.

Some good friends of ours bought a Tesla a few years back. They own a gas vehicle, but pretty much never drive it now, even if it would just make more sense.

We met them down in Corpus for a weekend, they were driving from Houston. They had to stop along the way to recharge. Took damn near an hour.

We’re currently on the last day of a family trip where we drove up to Yellowstone, through Utah and New Mexico. No way would crap like an hour recharge during the trip have worked…then having to route your drive based on there actually being charging stations along the way.

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Originally Posted by Cajun90

And that is the point. It works in some cases but not in all cases. Right now there are a lot of people who have been led to believe that electric vehicles and alternative energy can replace every fossil fueled system on the planet and it isn't anywhere close to being true. Niche markets.....

The new Ford electric pickups are currently getting racked over the coals (pun intended) because they aren't coming close to performing as touted. If you want to look cute on your 10 mile commute to work and back they are great. Want to use it as a work truck like your old F150 and you are gonna be dissappointed.

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Just wait till you see what pulling a simple bass boat does to battery life.

We all know how much of a pain in the azz trolling motors are. That Ford Lightning is a huge trolling motor.

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Originally Posted by crazycajun

But there really aren’t, if it was cheaper, better and easier the government wouldn’t have to convince people to do it. It’s not green and the energy it take to build electric and run then is still pursued by the sources people think they are avoiding. It’s a scam.

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I didn't use a subsidy

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Originally Posted by crazycajun

I know the price of a Tesla powerwall, that doesn’t take some special knowledge. I can do simple math. $60k I’m just battery takes a lot if electric bills to get your money back. I’ve had camps off the power grid my whole life, I know plenty about powering a home without a utility company and have experimented with them all and nothing beats a generator when it comes to cost and reliability.

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I charge with a 110 plug overnight.

No extra investment.

There are instances.

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Originally Posted by Swamp

Just wait till you see what pulling a simple bass boat does to battery life.

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Electric vehicle useage does help with a person's advance planning skills.

Forethought comes in handy.