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Arizona and Arizona State will be in the Big 12, as will Utah. Rumor is that Washington and Oregon have put out feelers to the Big 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boomer
PAC is in a bind. They will have to lower their sights as far as membership academic requirements or they are pretty much sunk. Available FBS and R1 universities in their current footprint are Utah State, Colorado State, Nevada, New Mexico and UNLV.
I think the jury is still out on this, both the 2 years and the 5 years. Alot can change and will change both this year and the upcoming years. Part will depend on what happens with all of the other conferences. Everyone will be jockeying for positions, both as conferences and athletic programs. The SBC made themselves much better recently with the addition of Marshall, USM, ODU and JMU, but I don't think this is the end. Our conference partners could have an opportunity to move, teams like Texas State for one, as has been said, could be looking to move to the MWC, the SBC could look (long term) to exit from the teams west of the Mississippi River (hopefully that does not occur) leaving UL, ULM, Arkansas State and Texas State looking for other options.Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainDew
In 5 years we could be anywhere between a revamped CUSA and a new look Big 12. Believe me, I hope that does not occur (the CUSA thing), but all being said, where we are today is lightyears ahead of where we were when this thing (THE SBC) started .
Don't hold your breath, Texas State could be a player in the reformed MWC if they need options. Not saying it will happen, but it is a possibility. I know the SBC won't throw them out, but they could choose another path.Quote:
Originally Posted by VObserver
BOP has said to not be surprised if they are a candidate for admission to another conference in the future. They want to be with their neighbors.Quote:
Originally Posted by VObserver
If the SBC dosen't expand into Texas, they are gone.
If TXST thinks they are on an island now, just wait till they join the MW! LolQuote:
Originally Posted by RaginDave
I believe the current thinking is that either the MWC will lose school(s) and will respond with a play for Texas schools, or the AAC will lose school(s) and will respond with a group addition that includes Texas State.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Buds
Either way, they get to be in a Texas based division.
Here is what is expected to happen:
Utah, Arizona and Arizona move to the Big 12, that would move the Big 12 to 16 teams, with BYU, Cincy, Houston, UCF, Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, West Virginia, Colorado, Utah, Arizona and Arizona State.
Oregon and Washington to the Big 10, giving them 18 teams with Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers, Wisconsin, USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington.
That would leave Oregon State, Washington State, Cal and Stanford trying to figure out what to do, along with Independents ND, UCONN, UMASS and Army. Now immediately if the PAC were to fold or need immediate help they could form an alliance with the remaining independents (UCONN, UMASS and Army), ND is not going to join that conference and then add a few teams from the MWC, like SDSU, UNLV and others to stay afloat. That could crush the MWC, which would then try to reach out to the AAC members like UNT, Rice, UTSA, SMU, Tulsa and possibly Texas State to form a weird alliance of West and Mountain West teams.
This ____ is going to get crazy.
But hold your horses, now it appears that FSU is about to leave the ACC which could cause another flurry of changes.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/care...68a6c5af&ei=49
If this happens and others would consider leaving the ACC, you could see some sort of merger with the remaining PAC teams and remaining ACC teams, depending on what would be left. SEC could try to pull the NC schools or Miami, Clemson, VT or others.
Then the PAC/ACC alliance might be left with an East/West alliance. I don't know what is going to happen next. Sit back and wait.....
According to Brett McMurphy, Big Ten is considering Oregon & Washington along with Stanford & Cal. Can you imagine a 20-team conference?
What may end up is the SEC and Big 10 being two 24 team Super Conferences and then leave everyone else up in the air. That would be 48 of the proposed future 134 FBS schools. If that happens then 35% of your teams would be in 2 conferences, the other 65% would be forced to create conferences with whatever is left. SEC could be the expected 16 teams (current 14 and OU and Texas) with FSU, UNC, Clemson, Miami, Duke or NC State or both, VT and Georgia Tech (or someone else).
Big 10 would be current 16 teams then Oregon and Washington to make 18. They could suck up the rest of the PAC and that would be 22, then add 2 more teams from the AAC to complete their 24 teams conference.
At that point the SBC would be smart to grab what they can from the AAC in UAB, ECU and others to become a minor version of the Super Conference.
This is happening, the SEC and B1G are going to be 20+ team super conferences and attempt to break away from everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by cajunjayhawk
JMO. The PAC 12 keeps Wash State, Oregon State, Cal, Stanford, Arizona State, Utah and adds SDSU, Colorado State, UNLV, Air Force, Boise State, and either Fresno State, San Jose State or Wyoming to remain a 12 or 14 team west coast conference conference and that is how you move up from G5 to P5. If the PAC 12 couldn't get the revenue to keep its members, adding MWC plus AAC schools while moving eastward like SMU and UTSA won't help with revenue and will only serve to dilute shares.Quote:
Originally Posted by CajunNation
Along with Florida State and Clemson to SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaginDave
The best info right now is on espnu sat radio. Apparently, UW and Oregon balked at a deal a few months ago because it included lesser payments than the rest of the Big10. This was before CU left. They are negotiating now. I would be shocked if Cal and Stanford were part of the deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by cajunjayhawk
This might take a little longer. There will be Grant of Rights lawsuits to figure this one out, but I think eventually they both go.Quote:
Originally Posted by cajunref
The expanded playoff comes with its consequences.
CFP expands to 12 in 2024 with (right now) "the top four conference champions, followed by some combination of the top six at-large bids and two highest-ranked remaining conference champions."
"... that guarantees at least one 'Group of 5' team will make the Playoff each year."
(https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa...rn4xba7c6p0ksl)
Two 20+ team superconferences gives its members the best chance of being an at-large bid. With this realignment prediction, you must assume that the playoff format is changed because the the "top 5 conferences" will no longer represent the strength held by the 40+ teams in the Top 2.
Thus:
-"G5" representation will be removed
- Playoff will be expanded to 16
Yes, the Grant of Rights issue is the main issue to ACC teams bolting. When that gets figured out/litigated than expect another HUGE change in the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by CajunNation
Florida State will have to pay the ACC $30 million per year for ten years to move to the SEC.
I’m afraid you are likely correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by cajunjayhawk
Time for a mid major super conference
Right now the SBC West has more teams closer to TxSt than any MWC team. Gonna take a big MWC rework to change that.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaginDave
The moment that “mid major” gets attached by media to the SBC for football, we’re done. Laugh if you must, but book ALL other sports will follow in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ultracajun
Which is really just 4 conferences branded under 2 names. Each division will be a conference. It’s gonna be the same top schools that win everything now.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaginDave
Imagine this, 3 24 Team Super Conferences:
B1G
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Maryland
Michigan
MSU
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern
Ohio State
Penn State
Purdue
Rutgers
USC
UCLA
Wisconsin
BC
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
UNC
ND
Oregon
Washington
SEC
Alabama
Auburn
Arkansas
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
LSU
MSU
Mizzou
OU
Ole Miss
SC
Tenn
Texas
A&M
Vandy
Duke
GT
Louisville
Memphis
NC State
UVA
VT
Wake
Big 12/24
Baylor
BYU
Cincy
Cal
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
KSU
OSU
TCU
Texas Tech
UCF
WV
Arizona
Boise
Arizona State
Cal
Oregon State
Pitt
Stanford
Syracuse
UCONN
Utah
Washington State
I think the SBC would be smart to then create a conference with the 14 current members and add:
I think what would happen is then you would see 62 teams left (counting Kennesaw State who is moving up next year). I think 3 conferences would be formed in G5 version of this scenario.
This would throw everything that is out there now up in the air on who would be together in the G3 ranks. I think the Eastern SBC teams would ultimately like to join with the Eastern AAC teams, while the Western SBC teams might be forced to join with the MWC teams. UGH!!!!!
Same number of schools
same number of scholarships
same number of roster spots
same number of athletes
22 people on the field at a time
haves and have nots
not sure a reason to freak out