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KajunKrazy
I do not disagree with one word you are saying. It is very fair to question the resume that was hired. I am not disputing that at all. But to say it was a hire because we wanted to save money isn’t true.
Hypothetical here. Lets say we hired Clay Helton who is now at Ga. So. for the same amount we are paying Des, would people be saying it was a budget hire? They make roughly the same now.
What people are getting hung up on is the dollar amount. In this instance, "budget" has more to do with the level of coach rather than dollar amount. I personally feel we paid too much for Des. With his level of experience, we should be paying him much less. If money was an issue as big as some claim, why are we paying that much for a coach with so little experience? And our position isn't the same as Georgia Southern. Context. We were coming off the highest level of success in program history! There were coaches out there in Napier's ilk DYING to have this job! Coaches with FAR better connections with coordinators around the country. And we could've paid him what Napier started out with here in his first year. Just not smart. Whether Des ends up being successful or not, you didnt put your money on the horse with the best odds. Can it work? God, I hope so. If we were coming off of a few down seasons, a Des hire wouldnt be as bad a choice. But doing it when we did is mind boggling. It's a textbook USL move. Either way, I pray Des gets it done. It couldn't happen to a better guy. And now that he's the coach, he deserves at least 3-4 years to prove himself. If after year 3 to 4 and we're still mediocre, middle of the road....we should be looking to a new direction. I dont think a 5th year should be automatic.
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I think Mike will be successful and was the right hire.
I just don't buy for one second the maintain continuity angle, to many changes across the board for continuity to roll over.
The dead pan hire didn't excite me either. I would've preferred MD be hired over someone.
That's just me.
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Louisiana84
Mike is one of our own. So was Dr. Authement.
Most wins in a season while Mike was in school here: 6
Most wins in a season while Dr A. was in school here: 6
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Louisiana84
Nope. I'll be pleasantly surprised if Mike is successful here because I don't think he has the experience necessary for the job. We could have hired better, and we should have. That's my point.
When I think about past administrators at Louisiana, I think one of the best was Dr. Gary Marotta. He wasn't a Louisiana guy, but he became one and made our school better.
When I think of athletic administration, I think immediately of Terry Don Phillips and Bryan Maggard. They weren't Louisiana guys, but they came here and made our programs better.
When I think of head football coaches, Billy Napier was the best we've ever had. He wasn't a Louisiana guy, but he became one and made our school better.
Athletic in-breeding, like educational in-breeding, leads to some messed up thinking and bad habits. We've always done it this way versus let's try some fresh, new ideas.
In our current athletic environment our university needs a coach who win championships, who can hold onto talent, and who can energize the fan base. The Desmo hire did none of that. We can disagree, but that I hope you don't mind that I share that in this forum.
Great points.
I don't think hiring a local guy is always wrong. Robe is what I think we all hope CMD becomes, but that is a tall order since CMD doesn't have the DI HC experience that Robe had before he came here.
I think the thing that is causing all of the friction here is that most of us are looking at this hire from only the viewpoint of previous experience. I believe there is another, maybe even more important reason, CMD was hired other than our hopes he become another Robe.
Remember what happened when we missed the boat to the original CUSA back in 96? Doc A pulled the plug on the program and did a political hire a couple years later. It is my belief that Doc S is doing something similar on a smaller scale.
Losing Napier, NIL, the Portal and COVID all happened at the same time. Now, we are going to play in a construction zone for a couple of years. I think Doc S looked at all of this and concluded now would be a good time to pace ourselves for a little while, and if he can get lucky and find another Robe, why not try that?
Not saying I agree with this approach, but this is exactly the way Doc A would have responded to the situation I just described, and Doc S paid attention.
... or I'm completely wrong and these are just the mindless ramblings of an old fool.
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Reminds me of tin foil concepts
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cajuns80
This ain't Nicholls. This is a division 1 job.
Nicholls is in division I...
Nicholls State University located in Thibodaux, Louisiana, United States.[2][3] The team competes in the NCAA Division I Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) and are members of the Southland Conference
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. . . and why be so harsh on CMD, it is not his fault that he managed to get the HFC job and Louisiana . . . he deserves all the support that could possibly be given to him at this juncture . . .
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MelRock
Got it, anyone who has been our coach for a season and two games is Dr. Authement. Thanks!
Great post. And how about those with 5000 posts?
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CajunVic
. . . and why be so harsh on CMD, it is not his fault that he managed to get the HFC job and Louisiana . . . he deserves all the support that could possibly be given to him at this juncture . . .
Excellent point
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CajunVic
. . . and why be so harsh on CMD, it is not his fault that he managed to get the HFC job and Louisiana . . . he deserves all the support that could possibly be given to him at this juncture . . .
What people don't understand is that Mike is smarter than the rest of the coaching pool, not because of his college experience or his UL degree, it is because of the high school he went to that makes him better than the rest of the candidates. GO BIG RED.
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cajuns80
Clay Helton, without his buyout money from USC, would command way more than what his GSU salary is. That is not his market value.
They offered he took is all that matters for this conversation. Whatever money Clay made elsewhere makes no difference in the argument of what a first year sun belt coach will get. I would imagine Clay's agent tried to get more and GSU said this is our final offer take it or leave it.
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MelRock
Who was knocking on Billy's door before we came calling? No one, that's who. He was the offensive coordinator at Arizona, who had just fired its head coach and hired Herman Edwards. As to would anyone else have hired Mike, you are damn straight they would. Tim Rebowe had no experience as a college coordinator and was only a position coach before taking the job at Nichols.
Mike is one of our own, and it is time for some of you to get over it. Two threads and countless blah, blah, blah, and buts.
Arizona St but i get your point.
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cajuns80
Exactly this. We hired a guy who wouldn't have even sniffed this job if he hadn't played QB here.
. . . says who . . .
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KajunKrazy
... GO BIG RED.
Bobcat Nation in route.
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MelRock
Who was knocking on Billy's door before we came calling? No one, that's who. He was the offensive coordinator at Arizona, who had just fired its head coach and hired Herman Edwards. As to would anyone else have hired Mike, you are damn straight they would. Tim Rebowe had no experience as a college coordinator and was only a position coach before taking the job at Nichols.
Mike is one of our own, and it is time for some of you to get over it. Two threads and countless blah, blah, blah, and buts.
Billy had way more experience than Mike, not even close. So we are following the Nichols -FCS- blue print are we? I will always support UL( have been for over 50 years) and Mike, but as many said, I still think
it was the wrong hire, would not been hired at any other FBS school.
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JamesTheJeweler
What people are getting hung up on is the dollar amount. In this instance, "budget" has more to do with the level of coach rather than dollar amount. I personally feel we paid too much for Des. With his level of experience, we should be paying him much less. If money was an issue as big as some claim, why are we paying that much for a coach with so little experience? And our position isn't the same as Georgia Southern. Context. We were coming off the highest level of success in program history! There were coaches out there in Napier's ilk DYING to have this job! Coaches with FAR better connections with coordinators around the country. And we could've paid him what Napier started out with here in his first year. Just not smart. Whether Des ends up being successful or not, you didnt put your money on the horse with the best odds. Can it work? God, I hope so. If we were coming off of a few down seasons, a Des hire wouldnt be as bad a choice. But doing it when we did is mind boggling. It's a textbook USL move. Either way, I pray Des gets it done. It couldn't happen to a better guy. And now that he's the coach, he deserves at least 3-4 years to prove himself. If after year 3 to 4 and we're still mediocre, middle of the road....we should be looking to a new direction. I dont think a 5th year should be automatic.
the guy at oregon would not be at oregon if bryan would have been allowed to give him the second interview they both asked for. he would be here
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MelRock
Who was knocking on Billy's door before we came calling? No one, that's who. He was the offensive coordinator at Arizona, who had just fired its head coach and hired Herman Edwards. As to would anyone else have hired Mike, you are damn straight they would. Tim Rebowe had no experience as a college coordinator and was only a position coach before taking the job at Nichols.
Mike is one of our own, and it is time for some of you to get over it. Two threads and countless blah, blah, blah, and buts.
So let me get this straight. You're saying Billy and Des were on the same level before getting their first head coaching gig? And if we not had hired Des, another FBS school would have hired him away as their head coach???? C'mon man. There isn't a single person claiming he's not "one of our own". That's not the issue.
P.S. you're still here contributing to the blahblahblah's and buts. Try and separate your emotional attachment from honest critique. Nobody is setting Dez's house on fire.
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cajunref
Billy had way more experience than Mike, not even close. So we are following the Nichols blue print are we? I will always support UL( have been for over 50 years) and Mike, but as many said, I still think
it was the wrong hire, would not been hired at any other FBS school.
. . . lots of experience being fired . . . was fired once and probably about to be fired again . . . nice resume there . . .
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JamesTheJeweler
So let me get this straight. You're saying Billy and Des were on the same level before getting their first head coaching gig? And if we not had hired Des, another FBS school would have hired him away as their head coach???? C'mon man.
. . . you have no credentials to be questioning the opinions of a revered Cajun fan with such and expansive and impressive whiskey stash . . .
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RougaWhite&Blue
Excellent point
Some of you can't separate your emotions from critical thought. The critique is on the administration. Not MiKe. I don't recall a single person saying they're not supporting UL anymore because they hired Mike. My support of the program hasnt changed one iota. Some of you are acting like we threw rocks at your mama. Toxic shock syndrome is gonna set in if some of you don't change that thing soon.:p
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JamesTheJeweler
Some of you can't separate your emotions from critical thought. The critique is on the administration. Not MiKe. I don't recall a single person saying they're not supporting UL anymore because they hired Mike. My support of the program hasnt changed one iota. Some of you are acting like we threw rocks at your mama. Toxic shock syndrome is gonna set in if some of you don't change that thing soon.:p
. . . you and those posting against the hiring of CMD are not supporting either him or the university . . .
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JamesTheJeweler
Some of you can't separate your emotions from critical thought. The critique is on the administration. Not MiKe. I don't recall a single person saying they're not supporting UL anymore because they hired Mike. My support of the program hasnt changed one iota. Some of you are acting like we threw rocks at your mama. Toxic shock syndrome is gonna set in if some of you don't change that thing soon.:p
Now do extending marlin, ooops
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CajunNation
Great points.
I don't think hiring a local guy is always wrong. Robe is what I think we all hope CMD becomes, but that is a tall order since CMD doesn't have the DI HC experience that Robe had before he came here.
I think the thing that is causing all of the friction here is that most of us are looking at this hire from only the viewpoint of previous experience. I believe there is another, maybe even more important reason, CMD was hired other than our hopes he become another Robe.
Remember what happened when we missed the boat to the original CUSA back in 96? Doc A pulled the plug on the program and did a political hire a couple years later. It is my belief that Doc S is doing something similar on a smaller scale.
Losing Napier, NIL, the Portal and COVID all happened at the same time. Now, we are going to play in a construction zone for a couple of years. I think Doc S looked at all of this and concluded now would be a good time to pace ourselves for a little while, and if he can get lucky and find another Robe, why not try that?
Not saying I agree with this approach, but this is exactly the way Doc A would have responded to the situation I just described, and Doc S paid attention.
... or I'm completely wrong and these are just the mindless ramblings of an old fool.
Brother, we're all hypothesizing. No of us have a crystal ball here. But I think we all hope, regardless of the reasons, that Mike becomes the best head coach for our great university. At the end of the day, we all stand together and yell GEAUX CAJUNS!
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RougaWhite&Blue
Now do extending marlin, ooops
LoL! Don't you start!
