Re: Elijah McGuire Is Considering Going Pro: Is He Ready?
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Originally Posted by
charliek
Boomer....such a good football coach/talent evaluator he retired as an insurance salesman......
Just teasing Boomer. Maybe.
If only ex coaches and players are allowed an opinion on here...this place will get quiet, and boring.
--Well actually publishing consultant for 20 years----Oh and how I agree with the opinions----remember Coach T always asking any visitors to practice etc--how he could improve any part of the football program!!! Hell my best and most knowledgeable coach I ever had didn't play even HS sports---won a national championship and state in baseball and a state in basketball----It is when guys have never been in meetings for the last several years have all the answers that gets me----I have no clue why a play was run and they sure don't either----maybe we need a Saturday Ragin Pagin meeting!!!
Re: Elijah McGuire Is Considering Going Pro: Is He Ready?
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Originally Posted by
Boomer
----Well again the thing that ____es me off is that the ad hominems take place over factual dialogue----I don't get wrapped up in the trying to get my point to an extent of not being objective----I have spoken to former players and some now coaches that think exactly with me on the QB situation---they love UL and want the best and to some it was a no brainer to start Nixon---I try to look to the total situation --am I always correct??? hell no but I am many times right----and I do read up and talk to coaches about different offenses and defenses----and I HATE to say something bad about a player since I was one and coached them----that is why my opinions deal more with the praise of some and not the obvious flaws of others----but yea, I don't know who these people are, but think it better to keep the discussion to the topic and back up opinions with facts and reasoning and stay away from arguments that are considered false such as "post factum ergo propter factums" and ad hoimnems!!! Thanks guys!!!
I just don't get your victim status with "ad hominem attacks". People clown with you. You need to know that your style of writing... including the content... is humorous. No one is trying to destroy you. You get ridiculed very appropriate to your posting style and content. I think it best you work with it rather than fight it. That's JMO
I vehemently disagree with you on the QB situation this past year. I cannot tell you how much I disagree. And I cannot tell you without a one on one serious discussion as to why statistics are massively misleading in this case. They are essentially useless without the details. And you provided no better "details" for your opinion than anyone else. I'm sorry if you think differently. But you did not. If you got your opinion from an accumulated view from coaches and/or former players... I have even less hope that Hud figures things out for next year.
I'm not going to read nonsense... regardless if it's claimed to be a "professional opinion". There are way more Baldwins than Bryants in the world of football coaches. I'll leave that right there.
Now... please realize you are on a fan forum. Your opinion counts... but it does not trump other opinions. And if you are going to squat on a couple of stats for every argument... without a massive correlating explanation... just leave them at the login window... or accept your thrashing. Those are your choices. Watch and prove me wrong... with or without a stat.
Re: Elijah McGuire Is Considering Going Pro: Is He Ready?
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Originally Posted by
Just1More
I just don't get your victim status with "ad hominem attacks". People clown with you. You need to know that your style of writing... including the content... is humorous. No one is trying to destroy you. You get ridiculed very appropriate to your posting style and content. I think it best you work with it rather than fight it. That's JMO
I vehemently disagree with you on the QB situation this past year. I cannot tell you how much I disagree. And I cannot tell you without a one on one serious discussion as to why statistics are massively misleading in this case. They are essentially useless without the details. And you provided no better "details" for your opinion than anyone else. I'm sorry if you think differently. But you did not. If you got your opinion from an accumulated view from coaches and/or former players... I have even less hope that Hud figures things out for next year.
I'm not going to read nonsense... regardless if it's claimed to be a "professional opinion". There are way more Baldwins than Bryants in the world of football coaches. I'll leave that right there.
Now... please realize you are on a fan forum. Your opinion counts... but it does not trump other opinions. And if you are going to squat on a couple of stats for every argument... without a massive correlating explanation... just leave them at the login window... or accept your thrashing. Those are your choices. Watch and prove me wrong... with or without a stat.
----Fair rebuttal but wonder where are your stats and your evidence---I think one way on the subject and you the other---just point out why you think that way and leave out the cut downs of your opponent in the discussion---That is all I think the people on here want---Say what you want but keep personal attacks out----So I await a fair discussion and keep all the personal BS out!!! So I relate the people I have talked to to arrive at my conclusion and wonder how you arrived at your's!!!
Re: Elijah McGuire Is Considering Going Pro: Is He Ready?
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Originally Posted by
Boomer
----Fair rebuttal but wonder where are your stats and your evidence---I think one way on the subject and you the other---just point out why you think that way and leave out the cut downs of your opponent in the discussion---That is all I think the people on here want---Say what you want but keep personal attacks out----So I await a fair discussion and keep all the personal BS out!!! So I relate the people I have talked to to arrive at my conclusion and wonder how you arrived at your's!!!
Boomer, if you're a mouth piece or reflection of how our coaching staff thinks, that's a terrifying revelation. It also explains a lot of things to me.
Btw, I've seen only a handful of posters, only a handful of times get "personal" on the board. We throw the term around here waaaaaay too much. For me, I'm just having fun with you and your comments. I never in a million years would think you are taking my jabs "personally".
Re: Elijah McGuire Is Considering Going Pro: Is He Ready?
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Originally Posted by
Boomer
----Fair rebuttal but wonder where are your stats and your evidence---I think one way on the subject and you the other---just point out why you think that way and leave out the cut downs of your opponent in the discussion---That is all I think the people on here want---Say what you want but keep personal attacks out----So I await a fair discussion and keep all the personal BS out!!! So I relate the people I have talked to to arrive at my conclusion and wonder how you arrived at your's!!!
I don't know what the final numbers were after a particular point, but on the TD pass to interception ratio that you brought up earlier, do you think being limited to 3 end zone pass attempts from inside the 10 contributed to the low ratio?
Re: Elijah McGuire Is Considering Going Pro: Is He Ready?
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Originally Posted by
ManAboutTown
Boomer, if you're a mouth piece or reflection of how our coaching staff thinks, that's a terrifying revelation. It also explains a lot of things to me.
Btw, I've seen only a handful of posters, only a handful of times get "personal" on the board. We throw the term around here waaaaaay too much. For me, I'm just having fun with you and your comments. I never in a million years would think you are taking my jabs "personally".
---I wasn't talking in depth about our staff ---but guys that had coached in both HS and college---As we sat in Kentucky and left with a no brainer of whom the QB should be---but OK this subject is a wrap for me---Don't know about the final tally but maybe a step up in that we are really very concerned about the QB situation---Can't wait for Nixon next year---Kidding love ya!!!
Re: Elijah McGuire Is Considering Going Pro: Is He Ready?
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Originally Posted by
Turbine
I don't know what the final numbers were after a particular point, but on the TD pass to interception ratio that you brought up earlier, do you think being limited to 3 end zone pass attempts from inside the 10 contributed to the low ratio?
---That is because there was always double coverage on the fade route since he was no threat to run----Kidding T-Bine!!! Happy New year--are you still doing the mail deal???
Re: Elijah McGuire Is Considering Going Pro: Is He Ready?
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Originally Posted by
Boomer
---That is because there was always double coverage on the fade route since he was no threat to run----Kidding T-Bine!!! Happy New year--are you still doing the mail deal???
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Re: Elijah McGuire Is Considering Going Pro: Is He Ready?
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Originally Posted by
Boomer
<p>Fair rebuttal but wonder where are your stats and your evidence---I think one way on the subject and you the other---just point out why you think that way and leave out the cut downs of your opponent in the discussion---That is all I think the people on here want---Say what you want but keep personal attacks out<p>So I await a fair discussion and keep all the personal BS out!!! So I relate the people I have talked to to arrive at my conclusion and wonder how you arrived at your's!!!
I've presented my arguments on this subject as the season progressed and in summation, and in massive detail. My arguments contained no attacks on anyone. If you're interested in my opinion on what transpired this past season in football, I invite you to go read my posts. I clearly, through objective evaluation of every single play of the season, arrive at irrefutable conclusions. I think in shades of gray, Boomer. It is not easy for me to operate my critical thinking mechanism and not see 40 sides to every story. I have absolutely no reservations as to the conclusions I arrived at during and in post. I included in my continuously developing appraisal every single person at my disposal, which were many Ragin Cajun faithful, some with substantial football backgrounds, others with nothing more than a passion for our program.
This is not an attack on you, Boomer... but you say that you've accumulated opinions from coaches and former football players. Myself and others were very much in agreement regarding the initial competition between Haack and Nixon (and the rest of the QBs) based on no evidence in preseason to know which QB was the best prepared for what Hud and staff planned for the year. But Hud and staff... as much as it was obvious they wanted Nixon to play... gave him more reset/restarts than any QB I've ever seen. And even they concluded he couldn't get it done, and kept plugging Haack back in... reluctantly. I haven't used former or current coaches to evaluate the Nixon/Haack story this season. I haven't found by your comments or our existing staff's decisions that either group knew what they were doing or talking about. And I'm firm on that.
I was of the belief, in preseason, that one thing was unacceptable in past football seasons regarding our offense: We were ill prepared to compete with the better teams we face early in the season. My evaluation of that concludes that as a mid major you cannot go "talent for talent" in standard offenses (including the spread and variations) and conquer or even compete with good programs of equal to better talent without taking greater risks. My risk addition to our offense is mostly in passing. Given the talent (and lack thereof) on this year's team... I think I correctly concluded that regardless of the QB we utilize, passing would be the most essential skill that QB possesses. It was progressively very clear to me that Haack was the better passer. It was progressively clear that our skills were in getting people the ball in space. If you want to argue that with me, I'll destroy anyone with my facts and recall of each and every play and play sequence leading to our 4-8 season.
The single fact that you keep presenting is the TD/INT data. That, I assume, has established your base opinion on which QB was the better passer. As an isolated piece of data, it tends to support your conclusion. Well, I took that data into consideration as well. And I coupled that dry data with other data. Some data I included was our first downs, yards per play, total yardage, and points per game. When I use that data, it points to neither QB being successful. To me, that impunes the value of the TD/INT data. It would be equivalent to using gas mileage on a vehicle that has 4 flat tires. It's pretty much erroneous and irrelevant to the argument. I also reviewed every single game footage I had access to. I watched what accounted for the INTs. I watched what accounted for the passing TDs. I added to that the massive number of addtional plays that either supported those endings... or failed to support a TD drive. I assigned the good and bad plays to the QB in question... and the role of that QB and every supporting cast member. As those addtional data points get added to the picture, and I understand very few people have the desire and/or capacity to make these kinds of evaluations... it very very clearly pushed my critical thinking mechanism... that allows for a massive open mind view... to conclude we were not utilizing our skilled players correctly... we were not utilizing the best QB (Haack)... and our coaching staff more than any particular player or group of players was at fault for that choice last year.
Boomer, I'd like to add... I do not "attack" you. It would be clear if I did... to both of us. I use what people post against them quite often. Just because that offends sometimes... really isn't my problem. I am open game just like you are. If you're a smart man, you can navigate around the wide variety of posting that goes on... without constantly appealing for some kind of special rules for posting. We have rules. Everything else is open. It's life. It isn't going to change for any particular person. Enjoy the forum.
