Why I think money games are a dead end proposition.

[Turbine]

_ Brother, we aint VT and no BCS school is scheduling us thinking they are going to lose.

No UL isn't VT, however VT wasn't the VT you know today before they turned the corner in 1993.

In fact in the 20 years before they turned things around they averaged 4.73 wins to every 4 UL wins.

True UL had a turn around year in 1993 that pretty much matched what VT did with the big difference being UL didn't capitalize on their success.

Point being back then no school was afraid of scheduling VT at home and thinking they were going to lose. Now they are and if they schedule VT it will only be a home and home with no pay.

The success model has to be built first and foremost on the idea that at some point schools will not pay to play.

The current model is built on 6-6 forever.

jmo

[Oiler]

_ No UL isn't VT, however VT wasn't the VT you know today before they turned the corner in 1993.

In fact in the 20 years before they turned things around they averaged 4.73 wins to every 4 UL wins.

True UL had a turn around year in 1993 that pretty much matched what VT did with the big difference being UL didn't capitalize on their success.

Point being back then no school was afraid of scheduling VT at home and thinking they were going to lose. Now they are and if they schedule VT it will only be a home and home with no pay.

The success model has to be built first and foremost on the idea that at some point schools will not pay to play.

The current model is built on 6-6 forever.

jmo _

An athletic plan must be put into place where every supporter/donor, as well as POTENTIAL supporters/donors, can see a logical chronology of future football scheduling. A plan where the need to schedule three money games will be reduced to the need to schedule only one, or perhaps even NO, hopeless money games. It is very hard to garner financial support for an athletic model that is "built on 6-6 forever". No one is interested in investing in any business that does not have a SOUND BUSINESS PLAN. College athletics is very much a business. It is time that UL treats it as such.

[zephyr]

_ No UL isn't VT, however VT wasn't the VT you know today before they turned the corner in 1993.

In fact in the 20 years before they turned things around they averaged 4.73 wins to every 4 UL wins.

True UL had a turn around year in 1993 that pretty much matched what VT did with the big difference being UL didn't capitalize on their success.

Point being back then no school was afraid of scheduling VT at home and thinking they were going to lose. Now they are and if they schedule VT it will only be a home and home with no pay.

The success model has to be built first and foremost on the idea that at some point schools will not pay to play.

The current model is built on 6-6 forever.

jmo _

VT is also not hampered by a higher education budget that is continuously being cut and the upcoming years will be no exception. How good do you think VT would be or would have been over the years had they only been able to pay Coach Beamer up to 225k out of state budget funds and the rest out of private funding dollars? Not to mention that just to be able to pay that 225k in budgeted salary requires a vote and passing of the board of regents which is no gimme considering constant budget cutbacks. I hear what you are saying, that there needs to be a systematic change as I also feel the same, but I feel that the systematic change needs to start from somewhere higher than even our administration to be able to compare us to a VT. It also doesn't hurt for them to have been affiliated with BCS conferences that provide them with a large revenue sharing stream that supports their means. I'd prefer us be compared to a Southern Miss, Fresno State etc..

To me, the money games is the best form of a "business model" that we have to work with to provide ourselves with any type of budget possible.

[zephyr]

_ An athletic plan must be put into place where every supporter/donor, as well as POTENTIAL supporters/donors, can see a logical chronology of future football scheduling. A plan where the need to schedule three money games will be reduced to the need to schedule only one, or perhaps even NO, hopeless money games. It is very hard to garner financial support for an athletic model that is "built on 6-6 forever". No one is interested in investing in any business that does not have a SOUND BUSINESS PLAN. College athletics is very much a business. It is time that UL treats it as such. _

The problem with your statement is that money games are guaranteed and this great supplemental financing that we all "hope" will occur when we decide to schedule differently and generate more private funding dollars is anything BUT guaranteed.

[Oiler]

_ The problem with your statement is that money games are guaranteed and this great supplemental financing that we all "hope" will occur when we decide to schedule differently and generate more private funding dollars is anything BUT guaranteed. _

I'd like to know if there is any kind of strategy in place that will lead to consistent winning seasons with bowl invitations. A strategy that, if it works, will eliminate the need to play money games to balance the budget. The current strategy is obviously not working. We all know that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

[zephyr]

_ I'd like to know if there is any kind of strategy in place that will lead to consistent winning seasons with bowl invitations. A strategy that, if it works, will eliminate the need to play money games to balance the budget. The current strategy is obviously not working. We all know that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. _

"Strategy"? I think if it was as simple as you indicate, someone would have come up with the answer by now. If it was that easy, don't you think most mid-majors and especially SBC teams would eliminate or reduce the number of money games they play? The truth is, our conference houses the school's with, by far, the worst athletic budgets in the country and there has to be a way to supplement that discrepancy if you want to compete. How do you propose we make up the huge sums that these schools pay us to play with games against MAC and MWC schools? This year is certainly no easy task with essentially 3 money games even though one is at home which we are likely to not see a big profit from once we pay them to play. On many years, we have 2 tough money games and 2 "winnable" OOC games. Also, people keep bringing up the conference wins and losses. Isn't this a bigger indicator of success, for us, right now than overall wins. Troy played a tough OOC schedule this year but still ended up with 9 wins. Troy has played brutal OOC schedules each of the past several years but still ended up with winning seasons. We have to win our conference. Believe it or not, a 7 win season is very doable this year. We have to beat Ohio and then win 6 conference games which I think is more than reasonable. These games are essential to our budget. It's a fact that we are going to have to face at sometime even if we don't like it.

[Oiler]

_ "Strategy"? I think if it was as simple as you indicate, someone would have come up with the answer by now. If it was that easy, don't you think most mid-majors and especially SBC teams would eliminate or reduce the number of money games they play? The truth is, our conference houses the school's with, by far, the worst athletic budgets in the country and there has to be a way to supplement that discrepancy if you want to compete. How do you propose we make up the huge sums that these schools pay us to play with games against MAC and MWC schools? This year is certainly no easy task with essentially 3 money games even though one is at home which we are likely to not see a big profit from once we pay them to play. On many years, we have 2 tough money games and 2 "winnable" OOC games. Also, people keep bringing up the conference wins and losses. Isn't this a bigger indicator of success, for us, right now than overall wins. Troy played a tough OOC schedule this year but still ended up with 9 wins. Troy has played brutal OOC schedules each of the past several years but still ended up with winning seasons. We have to win our conference. Believe it or not, a 7 win season is very doable this year. We have to beat Ohio and then win 6 conference games which I think is more than reasonable. These games are essential to our budget. It's a fact that we are going to have to face at sometime even if we don't like it. _

I agree. Money games are a necessity. Seven wins for UL next year will never happen. Who were Troy's OOC opponents in 09?

[LFTCajun]

_ I agree. Money games are a necessity. Seven wins for UL next year will never happen. Who were Troy's OOC opponents in 09? _

@ Bowling Green L 31-14
@ Florida L 56-6
UAB W 27-14
@ Arkansas L 56-20

[RaginWaldo]

if it were up to me and to start building a winning program, i would set up the following OOC opponents for the next 2-3 years after next year

1 (money game) but upsetable (the lesser SEC, Big XII, Big Ten, Pac 10, Big East or ACC schools)
1 Impressive but beatable school (the better MWC, WAC, Conf USA)
2 beatable schools (bottom half MWC, WAC, Conf USA or any MAC schools)

every now and then throw in a FCS school but we need to make sure to focus more on beatable games to gain the fans and some of those opponents will be ranked but definately beatable.

Recruiting and talent wise, our team is going in the right direction, Our coaches are trying but still need more motivation, and our administration needs a more agressive mindset. thats how i see it atleast.

[LFTCajun]

_ if it were up to me and to start building a winning program, i would set up the following OOC opponents for the next 2-3 years after next year

1 (money game) but upsetable (the lesser SEC, Big XII, Big Ten, Pac 10, Big East or ACC schools)
1 Impressive but beatable school (the better MWC, WAC, Conf USA)
2 beatable schools (bottom half MWC, WAC, Conf USA or any MAC schools)

every now and then throw in a FCS school but we need to make sure to focus more on beatable games to gain the fans and some of those opponents will be ranked but definately beatable.

Recruiting and talent wise, our team is going in the right direction, Our coaches are trying but still need more motivation, and our administration needs a more agressive mindset. thats how i see it atleast. _

Would be nice to have the luxury to always schedule the low-hanging fruit from these conferences, but scheduling doesn't always work out in our favor.

We just play what we can get on the calendar...