With Coutts at Cal, Cajuns adding grad-transfer punter from Cincinnati

[cajunhawk]

He was addressing morality, not opportunity. Why would or should one's socioeconomic status effect their morality?

Why should we expect less, from a moral perspective, from some than we do from others?

He was ignoring opportunity...as most boot-strappers tend to. As far as morality, that's as big a grey area as you can get. I'll spin a moral yarn. My great aunt got pregnant in 1948...out of wedlock at 15. Morality told her she had to move away...because that's not what young women are supposed to be doing. She met a man who worked at Boeing, my great Uncle Chuck and they had a great life together living outside of Seattle (strangely had nothing to do with my Seahawk fandom). The child born out of wedlock, my father's cousin, was raised by her Uncle and ended up a very successful business man. It's a success story, but not because of the morality of the tale...which was utterly horrifying.

Morality shifts the further along down the road we go. Used to be, you got pregnant, you were utterly shamed and sometimes sent away. Then it became you had to marry immediately, regardless of whether you actually loved that person. Now it's shifting again. You shouldn't expect less morally from someone, but you should be aware of their own moral compass before casting any stones. I'm sure my great aunt was completely shunned when she made a young mistake...but you would never know it...because she is one of the greatest people I've ever known.

[duggie85]

I don't think getting pregnant and married was the Bickster's main point. Think it was how can these men have children, have no money bc of football priorities, and still support their children.

The whole stipend debate was from these men not being able to work bc of football and how they can't even afford lunch money. So how can they support another mouth I believe was his main question.

[cajunhawk]

I don't think getting pregnant and married was the Bickster's main point. Think it was how can these men have children, have no money bc of football priorities, and still support their children.

The whole stipend debate was from these men not being able to work bc of football and how they can't even afford lunch money. So how can they support another mouth I believe was his main question.

Actually...that was his point. Post #33 "Where I'm from when you impregnate someone you get married and go to work and support your family." I've already established it was his 3rd cousin...and her name was Ophelia...and she chews Red Man.

[KajunKrazy]

I don't think getting pregnant and married was the Bickster's main point. Think it was how can these men have children, have no money bc of football priorities, and still support their children.

The whole stipend debate was from these men not being able to work bc of football and how they can't even afford lunch money. So how can they support another mouth I believe was his main question.

Correct society has made it ok to be a sperm provider and then your done. It's a big problem we have today with around 80% of a certain demographic being born out of wedlock without a male role model in the child's life. When two decide to bring life into this world both should be responsible and pull there weight.

[ManAboutTown]

No sir you are very naive. You are correct it is not the majority. I read a recent article that suggest the number of male student athletes with children is right at 30%. (The female athlete usually has to give sports up and take responsibility) I didn't say they should drop out of school. I know many people that got married in that situation, lived in married student housing and worked while in school to support their family. Football is a previldge not a right. A child is a huge responsibility and everyone should be held responsible for their own actions from day one, not year 4 after they've played ball and had others financially support their child. (I do realize my opinion does not go along with the societal flaws today of baby momma and baby daddy with no marital bond or relationship. I can not force society to do what is morally right.)

How rich... guy that "reads recent article" gives moral advice on college fan board.. By the way, that 30% is below the societal stat for the same issue.

Anyway, it's time to expand your mind Bickey. Let me tell you a quick story. Ole MAT here had a 9 lbs 6 oz surprise at the ripe old age of 20. Of course I wasn't a college athlete on scholarship and I handled my financial duties. I did not get married right away, because it would have been stupid, naive and irresponsible to do so. Marrying a woman for the sole reason of parenting is absurd, as you have a huge risk of dragging a kid through a divorce, especially at the aforementioned age. Now, over a decade later, I'm still with her and we've made a nice life out of it. The point still stands.

Should people be more responsible? Sure. But things happen. Also, several of our players grow up without father figures to mentor them into responsible young men. It's just a fact.

You are correct in that a big supporter leaked the video to the press, so that begs the question: who really violated the "code"? If I said the name here, you people would be shocked. But that's not the point..

You know, there's some very concerning comments being made in the aftermath of all this stuff and I'm starting to believe some of our "supporters" are the biggest bus drivers concerning the division in this program right now.

[ManAboutTown]

Well I know someone personally of strong Catholic faith in that same situation and coach Faulkenberry took football away. He then worked several jobs while in school, and his kid lived in vet village the first 4 years of life. He was a man of God who loved his wife and his family until the day he died. Even if you take the marriage part out there should still be some immediate financial obligations when you bring a child into the world. Unfortunately today's society makes it much to easy to avoid the responsibilities and duties of a man. College coaches are up on the top of the list of the ones who are enabling them. You tell me which route is better in making a "man" todays or Coah Russ?

This is the kinda bull____ that gives conservative thinking folks a bad name.. So much ignorance in this post..

[KajunKrazy]

Actually...that was his point. Post #33 "Where I'm from when you impregnate someone you get married and go to work and support your family." I've already established it was his 3rd cousin...and her name was Ophelia...and she chews Red Man.

See post 51. "Even if they do not get married there still is an immediate financial responsibility". Not a 4 or 5 years down the road financial responsibility. If the student athlete cannot earn money then someone else is fulfilling his obligation. ( many times it's tax payers through "government" assistance".

[cajunhawk]

See post 51. "Even if they do not get married there still is an immediate financial responsibility". Not a 4 or 5 years down the road financial responsibility. If the student athlete cannot earn money then someone else is fulfilling his obligation. ( many times it's tax payers through "government" assistance".

We all know your thought's on this Bicky...just come out and say you think niggers are bad fathers. For ____'s sake.

[ManAboutTown]

He was addressing morality, not opportunity. Why would or should one's socioeconomic status effect their morality?

Why should we expect less, from a moral perspective, from some than we do from others?

Charlie, you're my guy.. so understand that I mean no harm. Morality is a subjective thing. Evolving intellectually is also different for everyone. Background is everything, especially at 18-22.

I understand the groups that subscribe to the same ideology (i.e. Catholic, baptists, Mormon etc) will say there is a set of guidelines, but IMO it is arrogant to believe a certain sect of folk have the answers to all. Not to mention, there are plenty of players, in all of our sports, that can both afford playing, schooling and raising a kid (financially). And before anyone starts telling me they didn't accept help from others when raising their kids at some point or another, please spare me. I was captain bootstrap before real life happened to me. It's horse____, let's just be honest here.

[KajunKrazy]

This is the kinda bull____ that gives conservative thinking folks a bad name.. So much ignorance in this post..

Yep. For you liberal types political correctness has taken the place of common sense in this country. In the 1960s as you can see in the post a man had to own up to his mistakes. Today no one is held accountable.