It don't matter how you win as long as you win!
Right?
We need to use Mcguire more to throw off the Defense. I actually prefer Mcguire at the Helm, but at least he is getting some PT.
Even though it was ugly, I will take the win.
I think this UNT team is under rated, they are much improved.
Geaux Cajuns, 3-2 and 1-0.
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UL_Cajuns
_ Right?
We need to use Mcguire more to throw off the Defense. I actually prefer Mcguire at the Helm, but at least he is getting some PT.
Even though it was ugly, I will take the win.
I think this UNT team is under rated, they are much improved.
Geaux Cajuns, 3-2 and 1-0. _
Good game plan by Coach Dodge. I think the Cajuns prepared all week for the gunslinger and assumed that the NT running game would not be a factor. After all, we held Charles Scott, Keiland Williams, and Trindon Holliday in check. NT defense dared the Cajuns to throw, and the rhythm was off again. Proud of our guys for staying in the game and making the plays to win it. Not very smooth on offense at all. Sometimes a bye week is a double edged sword. Lucky to have this one. The good news is the Cajuns survived NT. What's just as exciting is that others will not. NT is getting better each week, and Dunbar adds another dimension.
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UL_Cajuns
_ Right?
We need to use Mcguire more to throw off the Defense. I actually prefer Mcguire at the Helm, but at least he is getting some PT.
Even though it was ugly, I will take the win.
I think this UNT team is under rated, they are much improved.
Geaux Cajuns, 3-2 and 1-0. _
You got that right. I would rather win ugly than lose pretty any day of the week..~.
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we definately need to use McGuire more often in the often, he just looks way more confident than Masson does under the snap and looks like he is confident and "knows" he can move the football downfield. Masson likes to play it safe and check down way too much, passing short on 3rd and long is a bonehead wimpy move. Grow some balls and pass the ball down field to the open reciever or throw it out of bounds. throwing short won't get anything accomplished. Handing the ball up the middle with defenders covering Sails won't accomplish anything, faking the handoff when defense is pursuing the QB and holding onto the ball wont accomplish anything. Masson just looks a bit shellshocked from the LSU and Nebraska games. He doesnt look as confident as he did in the first 2 games.
If we want to win the sunbelt we cant play like this on offense, thats a FACT!
p.s. whoever wore the Waldo costume, way to be unoriginal you bastard lol.
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ATXCajun
_ Good game plan by Coach Dodge. I think the Cajuns prepared all week for the gunslinger and assumed that the NT running game would not be a factor. After all, we held Charles Scott, Keiland Williams, and Trindon Holliday in check. NT defense dared the Cajuns to throw, and the rhythm was off again. Proud of our guys for staying in the game and making the plays to win it. Not very smooth on offense at all. Sometimes a bye week is a double edged sword. Lucky to have this one. The good news is the Cajuns survived NT. What's just as exciting is that others will not. NT is getting better each week, and Dunbar adds another dimension. _
I doubt our coaches failed to gameplan for their running game. They begin their offense with the run and then go to the short passing game which is very similar to what we try to do. Dodge is not going to throw a lot downfield so they try to spread it around and let receivers get a few yards after the catch. Also, some fail to realize that UNT has some of the best running backs in the league. Montgomery didn't even play tonight and I've felt that he may be the best back in the league. Dunbar just adds another dimension. Dodge did a great job getting some cutback lanes for Dunbar to hit keeping our defense honest and we just couldn't shed the blocks from the line and our D-line could not get anything going all night. NT is by far the most improved team in the league but our offense has to be of concern as we just didn't get anything going. We are still seeing a lot of drops and Chris was off target quite a bit.
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zephyr
_ I doubt our coaches failed to gameplan for their running game. They begin their offense with the run and then go to the short passing game which is very similar to what we try to do. Dodge is not going to throw a lot downfield so they try to spread it around and let receivers get a few yards after the catch. Also, some fail to realize that UNT has some of the best running backs in the league. Montgomery didn't even play tonight and I've felt that he may be the best back in the league. Dunbar just adds another dimension. Dodge did a great job getting some cutback lanes for Dunbar to hit keeping our defense honest and we just couldn't shed the blocks from the line and our D-line could not get anything going all night. NT is by far the most improved team in the league but our offense has to be of concern as we just didn't get anything going. We are still seeing a lot of drops and Chris was off target quite a bit. _
I think it is time to start McGuire. Mason hasn't shown me anything. He can't find open receivers, throws into crowds, throws behind his receivers most of the time and doesn't really like to run. We are a one dimensional team with him. I think we would return to the kind of team we had last year but with a better passing game with McGuire in the game. Mason has had his chances through 5 games. It is time to give McGuire a start vs. WKU. He is healthy and ready to go. He looks more confident and proved himself last year vs. ASU. We need a much better offense against the better teams in the SBC if we hope to win the conference or at least win 7 games and go to a bowl game.
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HoustonCajun
_ I think it is time to start McGuire. Mason hasn't shown me anything. He can't find open receivers, throws into crowds, throws behind his receivers most of the time and doesn't really like to run. We are a one dimensional team with him. I think we would return to the kind of team we had last year but with a better passing game with McGuire in the game. Mason has had his chances through 5 games. It is time to give McGuire a start vs. WKU. He is healthy and ready to go. He looks more confident and proved himself last year vs. ASU. We need a much better offense against the better teams in the SBC if we hope to win the conference or at least win 7 games and go to a bowl game. _
I disagree. Most of Masson's "poor throws" are in large part due to his receivers not helping him. What "open" receivers? They are unable to get any separation from any defender. That is the problem. Masson doesn't have open receivers to throw to. While I agree that the offense is very stagnant, I do not think it is Masson's fault. He has shown me a lot and has thrown some very good balls this year that have not been caught. You talk about one dimensional? McGuire did not attempt one pass last night and even when he was playing well, the coaches took him out for passing downs. I think you would want to see him play a lot more before I call for him to start. Also, last year's game featured the likes of Fenroy, Smith and Chery to assist Brad in his win for which he managed the game well but did little impress me any more than Masson has. I have no dog in the hunt whether Masson or McGuire starts is of little consequence to me and I just want the best one in. I just think that people are jumping the gun bigtime on calling for McGuire because he had a couple of decent runs last night. This offense went straight into run mode with him at the helm and didn't even look to pass and that will not fly once teams start gameplanning for it. I do not think the offense is necessarily any better with him at QB than with Masson and he seems to be more one dimensional than masson at this point.
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raginWaldo
_ we definately need to use McGuire more often in the often, he just looks way more confident than Masson does under the snap and looks like he is confident and "knows" he can move the football downfield. Masson likes to play it safe and check down way too much, passing short on 3rd and long is a bonehead wimpy move. Grow some balls and pass the ball down field to the open reciever or throw it out of bounds. throwing short won't get anything accomplished. Handing the ball up the middle with defenders covering Sails won't accomplish anything, faking the handoff when defense is pursuing the QB and holding onto the ball wont accomplish anything. Masson just looks a bit shellshocked from the LSU and Nebraska games. He doesnt look as confident as he did in the first 2 games.
If we want to win the sunbelt we cant play like this on offense, thats a FACT!
p.s. whoever wore the Waldo costume, way to be unoriginal you bastard lol. _
Throwing the ball underneath when your receiver has not reached the first down marker is not necessarily Masson's fault if there are NO open receivers downfield. I think I'd rather him throw it short if that is the case and give his WR a chance to do something in the open field rather than throw it out of bounds giving you no shot at a converstion. To me, that is boneheaded.
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All I know is if you want to be a starting QB it should be a prerequisite that you become a duck hunter.
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zephyr
_ Throwing the ball underneath when your receiver has not reached the first down marker is not necessarily Masson's fault if there are NO open receivers downfield. I think I'd rather him throw it short if that is the case and give his WR a chance to do something in the open field rather than throw it out of bounds giving you no shot at a converstion. To me, that is boneheaded. _
Zephyr,
Do you think we should keep using Mcguire for some plays to throw off the Defense. I like it and think we should. I say play both Mcguire and Masson at the same time, you talk about will throw off the Defense.
Geaux LA!
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zephyr
_ I disagree. Most of Masson's "poor throws" are in large part due to his receivers not helping him. What "open" receivers? They are unable to get any separation from any defender. That is the problem. Masson doesn't have open receivers to throw to. While I agree that the offense is very stagnant, I do not think it is Masson's fault. He has shown me a lot and has thrown some very good balls this year that have not been caught. You talk about one dimensional? McGuire did not attempt one pass last night and even when he was playing well, the coaches took him out for passing downs. I think you would want to see him play a lot more before I call for him to start. Also, last year's game featured the likes of Fenroy, Smith and Chery to assist Brad in his win for which he managed the game well but did little impress me any more than Masson has. I have no dog in the hunt whether Masson or McGuire starts is of little consequence to me and I just want the best one in. I just think that people are jumping the gun bigtime on calling for McGuire because he had a couple of decent runs last night. This offense went straight into run mode with him at the helm and didn't even look to pass and that will not fly once teams start gameplanning for it. I do not think the offense is necessarily any better with him at QB than with Masson and he seems to be more one dimensional than masson at this point. _
Look, I'm glad we won, but I believe we completed only 1 pass to our tight ends last night. I watched the game on tv in Houston and the replays showed poor throwing decisions over and over again. Why are the UNT receivers open on just about every play, yet our receivers can't seem to get open? Who is our receivers coach? Looks like either a very poor job of coaching and/or receivers who aren't very good. A least the receiver didn't drop the last one in the endzone after dropping one earlier. It is frustrating to see other teams receivers open play after play, yet our receivers seem to be well covered most of the time. I'm not sure Mason is a better passer than McGuire, but who knows. McGuire will run the ball and keep the defense more honest. No one seems to respect our passing game and stack up against the run. Why wasn't McGuire allowed to throw last night? It was very curious watching McGuire in just to run then Mason in to throw. A change might open things up more. To Mason's credit, he did take us to a win. Just my opinion, but we play like last night against better teams and we will get beat. We had two weeks to get ready for this game, get people healed and work on basics. This looked like a season opener.
Defensively, the middle of our line had holes open on them that even I could have run through and UNT is far from the best OL in the conference. They got blown out time after time and our linebackers were nowhere in sight. How many missed tackles did we have? I thought we went back to basics in our off week.
I hope this was just an off game for us. We play a weak team next week in WKU and should get this fixed against them before we get to the meat of our conference schedule.
All that said, we are 3-2 and 1-0. A good start to the season and a favorable position to be in at this point.
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HoustonCajun
_ Look, I'm glad we won, but I believe we completed only 1 pass to our tight ends last night. I watched the game on tv in Houston and the replays showed poor throwing decisions over and over again. Why are the UNT receivers open on just about every play, yet our receivers can't seem to get open? Who is our receivers coach? Looks like either a very poor job of coaching and/or receivers who aren't very good. A least the receiver didn't drop the last one in the endzone after dropping one earlier. It is frustrating to see other teams receivers open play after play, yet our receivers seem to be well covered most of the time. I'm not sure Mason is a better passer than McGuire, but who knows. McGuire will run the ball and keep the defense more honest. No one seems to respect our passing game and stack up against the run. Why wasn't McGuire allowed to throw last night? It was very curious watching McGuire in just to run then Mason in to throw. A change might open things up more. To Mason's credit, he did take us to a win. Just my opinion, but we play like last night against better teams and we will get beat. We had two weeks to get ready for this game, get people healed and work on basics. This looked like a season opener.
Defensively, the middle of our line had holes open on them that even I could have run through and UNT is far from the best OL in the conference. They got blown out time after time and our linebackers were nowhere in sight. How many missed tackles did we have? I thought we went back to basics in our off week.
I hope this was just an off game for us. We play a weak team next week in WKU and should get this fixed against them before we get to the meat of our conference schedule.
All that said, we are 3-2 and 1-0. A good start to the season and a favorable position to be in at this point. _
My humble opinion is we have a bunch of average to below average WR. No one is steping up probably because they do not have the athletic ability to do so. Going forward I would go with the QB that runs the zone read the best. Relying on our Oline and RB's is our best chance for success.
On D we will continue to give up plays... we just need to be able to get some takeaways. I expect last night will be a typical effort for that group..
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MetryCajun
_ My humble opinion is we have a bunch of average to below average WR. No one is steping up probably because they do not have the athletic ability to do so. Going forward I would go with the QB that runs the zone read the best. Relying on our Oline and RB's is our best chance for success.
On D we will continue to give up plays... we just need to be able to get some takeaways. I expect last night will be a typical effort for that group.. _
They were so worried about Dodge running the ball last night they left the middle open for the running back. Many of those big runs occurred when they spread us out with three and four wideouts. I agree with Metry in that our receivers are average and that we may need someone who handles the zone read more efficiently at QB. Masson can continue to start but McGuire can come in sooner if the situation calls for it.
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i honestly think if we would use Ladarius Green like a colston/R. moss etc. (big tall receiver type) instead of TE and keep Aubrey at te we would have alot more success in the passing game. Green isnt necessarily a TE but because he has height they use him as one and i think that takes away from his abilities to be a true playmaker on the field.
Also if what im thinking is correct then the defenses would start to key on him more, thus helping the other recievers get open. It just depends on the Quarterback to find the open reciever and get him the ball.
as far as our actual WR's the only one who has actually been catching the ball with not as many drops from what i noticed was Louis Lee. Marlin Miller and #18(name?) are too worried about getting hit by defenders and i think thats the cause of so many drops.
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a win is a win is a win... AMEN!
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raginWaldo
_ i honestly think if we would use Ladarius Green like a colston/R. moss etc. (big tall receiver type) instead of TE and keep Aubrey at te we would have alot more success in the passing game. Green isnt necessarily a TE but because he has height they use him as one and i think that takes away from his abilities to be a true playmaker on the field.
Green is a TE. He does best when he gets a mismatch. Comparing him to Colston/Moss is not fair to him. He does not have that kind of talent. Like all of our recievers he need to work on catching the ball in traffic.
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HoustonCajun
_ Look, I'm glad we won, but I believe we completed only 1 pass to our tight ends last night. I watched the game on tv in Houston and the replays showed poor throwing decisions over and over again. Why are the UNT receivers open on just about every play, yet our receivers can't seem to get open? Who is our receivers coach? Looks like either a very poor job of coaching and/or receivers who aren't very good. A least the receiver didn't drop the last one in the endzone after dropping one earlier. It is frustrating to see other teams receivers open play after play, yet our receivers seem to be well covered most of the time. I'm not sure Mason is a better passer than McGuire, but who knows. McGuire will run the ball and keep the defense more honest. No one seems to respect our passing game and stack up against the run. Why wasn't McGuire allowed to throw last night? It was very curious watching McGuire in just to run then Mason in to throw. A change might open things up more. To Mason's credit, he did take us to a win. Just my opinion, but we play like last night against better teams and we will get beat. We had two weeks to get ready for this game, get people healed and work on basics. This looked like a season opener.
Defensively, the middle of our line had holes open on them that even I could have run through and UNT is far from the best OL in the conference. They got blown out time after time and our linebackers were nowhere in sight. How many missed tackles did we have? I thought we went back to basics in our off week.
I hope this was just an off game for us. We play a weak team next week in WKU and should get this fixed against them before we get to the meat of our conference schedule.
All that said, we are 3-2 and 1-0. A good start to the season and a favorable position to be in at this point. _
Completing one pass to a TE was not Masson's fault. How many times did you see Aubrey on the field in the first half? I didn't see him but only a couple of times. NT often double teamed Ladarius Green from the start as they know he is our biggest weapon. Chris threw some nice passes to him but he didn't help the QB by peeling off of his route and coming back to get the ball in tight coverage which is a basic fundamental that all coaches teach a player.
Just because McGuire will run the ball more doesn't mean it will keep the defense more honest. As a matter of fact, it will do the opposite as he is clearly more one dimensional than Masson is right now.
The UNT WR's are open more than ours because they are quicker and run better routes. Even our "fast" guys don't get any separation because truthfully, they don't run very good routes. Again, not Masson's fault.
Masson proved ALL of preaseason that he was a better passer than McGuire at this stage in their careers. McGuire apparently hasn't shown much progression there as the coaches refused to allow him to throw and maybe they are seeing something in practice to support this.
Bottom line is that until the WR's step up and we are able to incorporate more variation in the running game, Chris is going to be hard pressed to get the ball to the weapons in the passing game.
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raginWaldo
_ i honestly think if we would use Ladarius Green like a colston/R. moss etc. (big tall receiver type) instead of TE and keep Aubrey at te we would have alot more success in the passing game. Green isnt necessarily a TE but because he has height they use him as one and i think that takes away from his abilities to be a true playmaker on the field.
Also if what im thinking is correct then the defenses would start to key on him more, thus helping the other recievers get open. It just depends on the Quarterback to find the open reciever and get him the ball.
as far as our actual WR's the only one who has actually been catching the ball with not as many drops from what i noticed was Louis Lee. Marlin Miller and #18(name?) are too worried about getting hit by defenders and i think thats the cause of so many drops. _
I'd estimate that this is the role that Green plays about 50-60% of all passing plays. He is often split out with Aubrey in the TE slot on passing downs.
