Baseball RPI....

As of today for future CUSA and SBC members......


6----Texas State (SBC)
7----Rice (CUSA)
12---East Carolina (CUSA)
23---Appalachain State (SBC)
27---Georgia State (SBC)
33---Louisiana (SBC)
38---ULM (SBC)
50---Troy (SBC)
71---FIU (?)
78---Southern Miss (CUSA)
82---UTSA (SBC)
86---Tulane (CUSA)
102--Middle Tennessee (SBC)
123--Louisiana Tech (SBC)
124--UAB (CUSA)
146--UALR (SBC)
164--Arkansas State (SBC)

etc. etc...

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/rpi/currentrpi.html

Future Sun Belt members? Any truth to this? Or pure speculation?

Give LTU about 95% if not accepted in the Alliance, and the two Texas schools about 75%, Georgia school 25% depending on defections in the Sun Belt.

I think the Texas schools are more like 40%, Georgia state like 20$, and App state like 8%

Well if this does happen, I think adding Texas State and UTSA to the Belt would be positive for baseball. Both those schools are very competitive.

Benson wants 12 teams football. That being the case with no defections LTU makes 11 and we still need one more school. NMSU would make 12 for football and we still have a 12 team basketball conference. So all in all a lot depends on LTU & what NMSU might want.

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Originally Posted by CajunNation

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/rpi/currentrpi.html


As of today for future CUSA and SBC members......


6----Texas State (SBC)
7----Rice (CUSA)
12---East Carolina (CUSA)
23---Appalachain State (SBC)
27---Georgia State (SBC)
33---Louisiana (SBC)

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While the RPI at this point in the season has too small of a sample size to produce anything really meaningful, last night's game vs. McNeese State (and the opponent results thus far) are illustrative of how impactful OWP is to a team's RPI.

Going into the game, UL had an RPI of .605. This was due to a tremendous OWP of .6511. Going into last night's game, every Cajun opponent had a winning record in terms of the Cajuns' OWP calculation, except Alcorn State. How good is an OWP of .6511? Let's just say that it would have ranked #1 in the country last season ... by a comfortable margin. Last season ...

- Georgia had the #1 OWP (.6246) and used it to achieve an RPI ranking of 15, despite going 33-32 on the year.
- Florida came in at #2 with an OWP of .6230, using it to achieve the #1 RPI ranking in the country.
- North Carolina came in at #3 with an OWP of .6141, using it to achieve the #3 RPI ranking in the country.

Despite the win over McNeese State, their OWP of .2727 (3-8 record) knocked the Cajuns' OWP from .6511 to .6220. The Cajun RPI fell from .6050 to .6020.

How good is an RPI of .6020? It would have resulted in an RPI ranking of #9 last season. As the sample size increases, the actual RPIs (W/L records) become much more normalized. The Cajuns are receiving serious lift from teams that are contributing OWPs well in excess of what was the best OWP in 2011. Eight of the Cajuns' 13 games have OWP in excess of the #1 OWP of 2011 (.6246). In the case of Gonzaga, that component of the Cajuns' OWP can only go down. Gonzaga has a perfect record (10-0, 1.0000). But it is not the records that are averaged, but the winning percentages (the # of games is irrelevant). Hence, any losses by Gonzaga will result in a Gonzaga OWP of significantly less than 1.

Brian

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Originally Posted by Hudsheen#winnin

I think the Texas schools are more like 40%, Georgia state like 20$, and App state like 8%

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Since the WAC is all but dead as a football conference the two Texas schools are much better than 40% to join the SBC.

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Originally Posted by GoneGolfin

In the case of Gonzaga, that component of the Cajuns' OWP can only go down. Gonzaga has a perfect record (10-0, 1.0000). But it is not the records that are averaged, but the winning percentages (the # of games is irrelevant). Hence, any losses by Gonzaga will result in a Gonzaga OWP of significantly less than 1.

Brian

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Brian,

Is our OWP affected by our OOWP? In other words, if our opponents are playing superior competition as opposed to inferior competition and are winning does this help our RPI? I mean it seems like common sense but I'm just not sure what is actually weighed into the equation and I'm sure you have the answer to that.

OOWP is something like 25% of the formula but I believe that's as far as it goes.

Thanks seehard... I figure we should fair well in this for the long run this season, I really like our OOC schedule this year. We have some solid opponents. I mean assuming they keep winning and are as competitive as in years past, we have set ourselves up nicely to be able to get some quality wins. Love the Tulane home and home and back at LSU, Southern Miss, Houston home and home, and we can't undervalue the quality win that was against Wichita State to open the season... they are a perennial tournament team.

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Originally Posted by CajunEXPRESS

Benson wants 12 teams football. That being the case with no defections LTU makes 11 and we still need one more school. NMSU would make 12 for football and we still have a 12 team basketball conference. So all in all a lot depends on LTU & what NMSU might want.

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I'd say Texas State rather than NMSU. Closer, and the facilities are top notch.

Does anyone have a site that has the College Softball RPI?

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Originally Posted by Lafitte the Pirate

Does anyone have a site that has the College Softball RPI?

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I cant find one yet. The first official one comes out the week of March 26

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Originally Posted by Lafitte the Pirate

Does anyone have a site that has the College Softball RPI?

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Other than the official RPI from the NCAA which is a few weeks out the only other one was Warren Nolan's which wasn't very accurate. As of now he does not show the softball RPI on his site.

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Originally Posted by ragincajun10

Brian,

Is our OWP affected by our OOWP? In other words, if our opponents are playing superior competition as opposed to inferior competition and are winning does this help our RPI? I mean it seems like common sense but I'm just not sure what is actually weighed into the equation and I'm sure you have the answer to that.

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Your two questions above are not the same. First, to address your second question ...

Yes, our opponents playing better competition (defined strictly by the winning percentage of that competition) helps our RPI as it helps our OOWP. But the aggregate winning percentage of all of our opponents' opponents is only half the weighting of the winning percentage of our opponents (25% vs. 50%). Additionally, better competition is defined differently depending on the OWP being calculated (ours or that of our opponent). For example ...

The Cajuns may have an opponent that has an opponent that is 8-4 (.6667 WP). That may in actuality be a weak team, as evidenced by an OWP of .4200. But to the Cajuns that will not matter as OOOWP is not part of the formula. For the Cajuns' opponent that scheduled this opponent, it will affect them. It will affect them in their OOWP. So, our opponents playing better competition has a different meaning depending on whether it is considered in the context of the Cajuns or the Cajuns' opponent. This is an unfortunate effect of relying on a recursive formula that has an arbitrary recursion depth (namely, 2).

As for your first question, no ... our OWP is not affected by our OOWP. When calculating our OWP, opponent games vs. the Cajuns are excluded. Similarly, Cajun opponents' opponents games against that Cajun opponent are also excluded.

Ex. UL is 1-0 vs. a 3-9 McNeese State team. For Cajun OWP purposes, we use 3-8 (.2727). Meanwhile, an 11-2 LSU team is 2-0 vs. McNeese State. For McNeese State OWP purposes and UL OOWP purposes, 9-2 (.8182) is used (and weighted accordingly). Note that for UL OOWP purposes (through the McNeese State path), any game results between UL and LSU are included. But game results between UL and LSU are not included when calculating UL's OWP.

Brian

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Originally Posted by GoneGolfin

Your two questions above are not the same. First, to address your second question ...

Yes, our opponents playing better competition (defined strictly by the winning percentage of that competition) helps our RPI as it helps our OOWP. But the aggregate winning percentage of all of our opponents' opponents is only half the weighting of the winning percentage of our opponents (25% vs. 50%). Additionally, better competition is defined differently depending on the OWP being calculated (ours or that of our opponent). For example ...

The Cajuns may have an opponent that has an opponent that is 8-4 (.6667 WP). That may in actuality be a weak team, as evidenced by an OWP of .4200. But to the Cajuns that will not matter as OOOWP is not part of the formula. For the Cajuns' opponent that scheduled this opponent, it will affect them. It will affect them in their OOWP. So, our opponents playing better competition has a different meaning depending on whether it is considered in the context of the Cajuns or the Cajuns' opponent. This is an unfortunate effect of relying on a recursive formula that has an arbitrary recursion depth (namely, 2).

As for your first question, no ... our OWP is not affected by our OOWP. When calculating our OWP, opponent games vs. the Cajuns are excluded. Similarly, Cajun opponents' opponents games against that Cajun opponent are also excluded.

Ex. UL is 1-0 vs. a 3-9 McNeese State team. For Cajun OWP purposes, we use 3-8 (.2727). Meanwhile, an 11-2 LSU team is 2-0 vs. McNeese State. For McNeese State OWP purposes and UL OOWP purposes, 9-2 (.8182) is used (and weighted accordingly). Note that for UL OOWP purposes (through the McNeese State path), any game results between UL and LSU are included. But game results between UL and LSU are not included when calculating UL's OWP.

Brian

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Wow there, big boy. When i got to that phrase...arbitrary recursion depth...i almost threw up and had to actually lay down for a while. Sometimes we may ask questions that we can't handle...and as the RPI adult in the room, you will have to realize when such a question has been asked and just avoid answering. It's too dangerous.

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Originally Posted by GoneGolfin

Your two questions above are not the same. First, to address your second question ...

Yes, our opponents playing better competition (defined strictly by the winning percentage of that competition) helps our RPI as it helps our OOWP. But the aggregate winning percentage of all of our opponents' opponents is only half the weighting of the winning percentage of our opponents (25% vs. 50%). Additionally, better competition is defined differently depending on the OWP being calculated (ours or that of our opponent). For example ...

The Cajuns may have an opponent that has an opponent that is 8-4 (.6667 WP). That may in actuality be a weak team, as evidenced by an OWP of .4200. But to the Cajuns that will not matter as OOOWP is not part of the formula. For the Cajuns' opponent that scheduled this opponent, it will affect them. It will affect them in their OOWP. So, our opponents playing better competition has a different meaning depending on whether it is considered in the context of the Cajuns or the Cajuns' opponent. This is an unfortunate effect of relying on a recursive formula that has an arbitrary recursion depth (namely, 2).

As for your first question, no ... our OWP is not affected by our OOWP. When calculating our OWP, opponent games vs. the Cajuns are excluded. Similarly, Cajun opponents' opponents games against that Cajun opponent are also excluded.

Ex. UL is 1-0 vs. a 3-9 McNeese State team. For Cajun OWP purposes, we use 3-8 (.2727). Meanwhile, an 11-2 LSU team is 2-0 vs. McNeese State. For McNeese State OWP purposes and UL OOWP purposes, 9-2 (.8182) is used (and weighted accordingly). Note that for UL OOWP purposes (through the McNeese State path), any game results between UL and LSU are included. But game results between UL and LSU are not included when calculating UL's OWP.

Brian

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Originally Posted by GoneGolfin

Your two questions above are not the same. First, to address your second question ...

Yes, our opponents playing better competition (defined strictly by the winning percentage of that competition) helps our RPI as it helps our OOWP. But the aggregate winning percentage of all of our opponents' opponents is only half the weighting of the winning percentage of our opponents (25% vs. 50%). Additionally, better competition is defined differently depending on the OWP being calculated (ours or that of our opponent). For example ...

The Cajuns may have an opponent that has an opponent that is 8-4 (.6667 WP). That may in actuality be a weak team, as evidenced by an OWP of .4200. But to the Cajuns that will not matter as OOOWP is not part of the formula. For the Cajuns' opponent that scheduled this opponent, it will affect them. It will affect them in their OOWP. So, our opponents playing better competition has a different meaning depending on whether it is considered in the context of the Cajuns or the Cajuns' opponent. This is an unfortunate effect of relying on a recursive formula that has an arbitrary recursion depth (namely, 2).

As for your first question, no ... our OWP is not affected by our OOWP. When calculating our OWP, opponent games vs. the Cajuns are excluded. Similarly, Cajun opponents' opponents games against that Cajun opponent are also excluded.

Ex. UL is 1-0 vs. a 3-9 McNeese State team. For Cajun OWP purposes, we use 3-8 (.2727). Meanwhile, an 11-2 LSU team is 2-0 vs. McNeese State. For McNeese State OWP purposes and UL OOWP purposes, 9-2 (.8182) is used (and weighted accordingly). Note that for UL OOWP purposes (through the McNeese State path), any game results between UL and LSU are included. But game results between UL and LSU are not included when calculating UL's OWP.

Brian

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WHOA

My brain hurts...

Anyone else smell that?

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Originally Posted by CajunRed

Wow there, big boy. When i got to that phrase...arbitrary recursion depth...i almost threw up and had to actually lay down for a while. Sometimes we may ask questions that we can't handle...and as the RPI adult in the room, you will have to realize when such a question has been asked and just avoid answering. It's too dangerous.

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"You can't handle the truth!!!"

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Originally Posted by CajunRed

Wow there, big boy. When i got to that phrase...arbitrary recursion depth...i almost threw up and had to actually lay down for a while. Sometimes we may ask questions that we can't handle...and as the RPI adult in the room, you will have to realize when such a question has been asked and just avoid answering. It's too dangerous.

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Being that your seats are so close to mine, I will consider this in the future. I certainly do not want you tossing your cookies on my peanuts.

Go take some Tylenol and everything will be better. Drink plenty of fluids (the non-alcoholic variety).

Brian