BB Final: LA 5, App St 6

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Originally Posted by Dad04

I keep hearing from the baseball program our recruiting has taken such leaps forward.

DO THEY THINK WE ARE STUPID?

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This is my biggest thing. Someone talked about having Texas size nuts to critique on here. Well, I’ll continue with the sarcasm and say it takes some Texas size nuts to bull____ your fan base in post game, pressers and newspaper articles. I believe he is and has been a good coach for a long time, but his priorities don’t seem to be aimed at winning anymore. He created a knowledgeable fan base and people are starting to see through it. Unfortunately I think his days are numbered. And yes I do believe it’s unfortunate but baseball is one of two sports we actually have a shot at national success and the chances of him bringing us there are slim and none.

I've seen a change in tone from Robe, woefully late tho. Now he admits we suck and not because of the draft, the new ballpark, construction delays or the new lights being too bright. I was very critical of the steady stream of excuses in the past.

At least he publicly says the team has deficiencies, which is progress. I just hope it's not too late.

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Originally Posted by Dad04

I've seen a change in tone from Robe, woefully late tho. Now he admits we suck and not because of the draft, the new ballpark, construction delays or the new lights being too bright.

At least he publicly says the team has deficiencies, which is progress. I just hope it's not too late.

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I’ve seen a move from the non-baseball excuses to the in-game excuses. We don’t have the pitching. You’re the pitching coach. We don’t have the hitters. You retained the recruiter. We are looking at too many third strikes. You haven’t stepped in and changed the 2 strike hitting approach. Those are still excuses and lip service imo.

A poster said it best . Les miles is Robe. Stupidly holding on to his coaches and system when the whole thing needs a re do. Lotaltiy works to a point.

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Originally Posted by CajunRage

I’ve seen a move from the non-baseball excuses to the in-game excuses. We don’t have the pitching. You’re the pitching coach. We don’t have the hitters. You retained the recruiter. We are looking at too many third strikes. You haven’t stepped in and changed the 2 strike hitting approach. Those are still excuses and lip service imo.

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Fair enuff. He just needs to fix it, whatever that means. He is a big personal responsibility guy. He knows it's his job to fix it.

Our RPI is 133, 1 ahead of Maryland. We are ahead of Troy, UNO, SLU and usual doormats ULM, Northwest, FIU. Even UVA is 148. Stetson hosted their 1st Super last year and sport a 264 RPI today.

We have not cornered the market on baseball mediocrity.

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Originally Posted by Dad04

I've seen a change in tone from Robe, woefully late tho. Now he admits we suck and not because of the draft, the new ballpark, construction delays or the new lights being too bright. I was very critical of the steady stream of excuses in the past.

At least he publicly says the team has deficiencies, which is progress. I just hope it's not too late.

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Well, l agree what we are seeing is a poor job of recruiting the past few years and not with just one class. I don't think one decent class is going to correct it now. I'm not certain going forward if they may need another class on top of that one or it's simply the end of the line for him.

Here's where I part ways with you somewhat, and that is saying he somehow has had a steady stream of excuses over the past few years. When I've questioned him personally, I didn't hear those excuses for what has taken place. He talked about his personal struggles in dealing with his mothers illness and eventual death. He clearly lost focus and he owned it, but do you really expect him to talk publicly on the radio about his personal struggles?

Coach Bab lost his home in the floods and money was raised to help him out. I've never lost my home and almost everything in it, and yet both of those events happened to them almost simultaneously. That's the personal side of life and none of us hear it very often.

On the professional side, he told me and a few others he has been slow to change and make staff decisions, and that falls entirely on him. At this stage, he may not be able to change the way he has coached and ran this program from the past. We may be there now, I just don't know.

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Originally Posted by Turbine

A mishmash of items.

Rougarou wondered why the late swing on fastballs.

My guess is a tight torso, something I don't think you get with maintenance lifting.

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Or they're just not good at swinging at fast balls?

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Originally Posted by CajunJeaux

This in no way means I’m for the current results...but I’m willing to bet several of these posters ripping on the man have had a personal relationship with Robe over the years or have reported to The Diamond Club meetings or similar situations where they can’t wait to shake his hand...then now treat him like dirt...again, I’m not saying he needs an extension, but I surely hope people don’t treat me like this behind my back

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I've met Coach Robe only once in my life and that was in passing while setting up my tailgating spot during football season years back. Today was the first time I've ever publicly suggested we part ways with the man as our baseball coach. I think I'm afforded that right on a fan message board. I would love nothing more than for Tony to make me eat crow.

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Originally Posted by Dad04

Our RPI is 133, 1 ahead of Maryland. We are ahead of Troy, UNO, SLU and usual doormats ULM, Northwest, FIU. Even UVA is 148. Stetson hosted their 1st Super last year and sport a 264 RPI today.

We have not cornered the market on baseball mediocrity.

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We are Top 10 in national attendance...what is the RPI for the other 9? I would be shocked if they are lower than 75...probably not even close to that.

Injuries

Bourgeois. Probably best hitter
Lahare
Kasuls
Toro
Windham
Leger
Monica. Probably not 100%


Jay reported today that 20% of the team is injured. Might have a little effect on the teams overall performance

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Originally Posted by JoeLeblanc

Injuries

Bourgeois. Probably best hitter
Lahare
Kasuls
Toro
Windham
Leger
Monica. Probably not 100%


Jay reported today that 20% of the team is injured. Might have a little effect on the teams overall performance

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Our hitting and fielding numbers were worst when they were all playing and healthy! We were awful the first two weeks of the season with all of them.

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Originally Posted by JoeLeblanc

Injuries

Bourgeois. Probably best hitter
Lahare
Kasuls
Toro
Windham
Leger
Monica. Probably not 100%


Jay reported today that 20% of the team is injured. Might have a little effect on the teams overall performance

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No doubt on that.. But depth is on coaching.. Lets be honest. Not like those guys except for 2 were playing great. The problem is recruiting. We have no water hose drinkers save for a precious few. We don't have the talent or coaching at this point to win squat.

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Originally Posted by JoeLeblanc

Injuries

Bourgeois. Probably best hitter
Lahare
Kasuls
Toro
Windham
Leger
Monica. Probably not 100%


Jay reported today that 20% of the team is injured. Might have a little effect on the teams overall performance

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They need to stay out of the weight room beyond maintenance lifting.

Tight muscles can cause injuries

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Originally Posted by Dad04

Our RPI is 133, 1 ahead of Maryland. We are ahead of Troy, UNO, SLU and usual doormats ULM, Northwest, FIU. Even UVA is 148. Stetson hosted their 1st Super last year and sport a 264 RPI today.

We have not cornered the market on baseball mediocrity.

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And we wouldn’t be considered a doormat at 133 ? I certainly wouldn’t bet a weeks pay that we’ll take the series at Troy next weekend. You ? And let’s not forget UNO kicked our _____ and SE hasn’t had a chance yet. Just sayin.

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Originally Posted by Turbine

They need to stay out of the weight room beyond maintenance lifting.

Tight muscles can cause injuries

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Might need to apply a weighted average.

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Originally Posted by Turbine

A mishmash of items.

Rougarou wondered why the late swing on fastballs.

My guess is a tight torso, something I don't think you get with maintenance lifting.

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.......There, for some, are no pre swing timing movements......this is timed for the pitchers fastest deliveries......just can’t see the logic of static pre non movements!

No leg kick?

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Originally Posted by CajunT

Well, l agree what we are seeing is a poor job of recruiting the past few years and not with just one class. I don't think one decent class is going to correct it now. I'm not certain going forward if they may need another class on top of that one or it's simply the end of the line for him.

Here's where I part ways with you somewhat, and that is saying he somehow has had a steady stream of excuses over the past few years. When I've questioned him personally, I didn't hear those excuses for what has taken place. He talked about his personal struggles in dealing with his mothers illness and eventual death. He clearly lost focus and he owned it, but do you really expect him to talk publicly on the radio about his personal struggles?

Coach Bab lost his home in the floods and money was raised to help him out. I've never lost my home and almost everything in it, and yet both of those events happened to them almost simultaneously. That's the personal side of life and none of us hear it very often.

On the professional side, he told me and a few others he has been slow to change and make staff decisions, and that falls entirely on him. At this stage, he may not be able to change the way he has coached and ran this program from the past. We may be there now, I just don't know.

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I gave $$$ to Babs house fund, almost 3 years ago.

I heard the excuse multiple times Gunner got hurt. If Gunner didn't get hurt, he was gone in the draft anyway. Gunner would have been a high draft if he wasn't hurt.

Same thing with the draft and Hogan, Nick, Evan.

We all heard about the 700 lost at bats during construction. Over and over again.

Rebuilding will take multiple seasons. We can only sign better players when we employ a coach with the ability to identify talent. We obviously are short there.

To repeatedly use the injury to the best pitcher I've seen here as an excuse for last season, when the only reason he was here because he was injured, was a mistake. Everytime I heard that, I felt sick.

We all make mistakes. My kid played here and I deeply respect and admire Robe. I just wish he had not done that.

We have also apparently missed on talent evaluations even once we got them in our house - Riser, Elkins, Erbe, etc., etc

I guess I’m not as sympathetic or concerned with some of the backlash because I’m not really seeing anything here worse than what Robe has given back to the fans in his Saturday morning interviews. Just listening the Saturday after the LMU Friday night win:

1. He wants “Negaholics Anonymous.” Maybe that wasn’t directed at the fans, but it sure sounded like it was.
2. “You wanna pay your money and go sit in the stands and watch him play like a major leaguer. Well he’s not a major leaguer. He’s a college freshman.” No sorry coach. I’m not expecting Bryce Harper. You don’t get Top 15 attendance year in and year out with no standards, but any one who thinks this program should live up to any standard whatsoever is suddenly acting entitled somehow? I don’t agree.
3. “You wouldn’t tell your kid he sucks the first time he tries to walk and falls, but you’ll do it at a baseballl game.” Of course I wouldn’t, but if I paid someone to teach my son how to walk and he still could barely stand after 3 years, I’d be pretty damn concerned.

We saw it last year with the players trying to give it back to the fans for early season doubts after bringing home the almighty SUN BELT WEST TITLE. You wanna pound your chest and say I told you so every time you eek out a win, knock yourself out. But miss me with the pity party on days like today.

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Originally Posted by JoeLeblanc

Injuries

Bourgeois. Probably best hitter
Lahare
Kasuls
Toro
Windham
Leger
Monica. Probably not 100%


Jay reported today that 20% of the team is injured. Might have a little effect on the teams overall performance

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So Jay is chipping with excuses too. Tons of umpire hating mixed in.

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Originally Posted by Dad04

So Jay is chipping with excuses too.

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Did the same thing in basketball with the Marquetti injury this year. Did it last year in the conference tournament as well.

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Originally Posted by Dad04

I gave $$$ to Babs house fund, almost 3 years ago.

I heard the excuse multiple times Gunner got hurt. If Gunner didn't get hurt, he was gone in the draft anyway. Gunner would have been a high draft if he wasn't hurt.

Same thing with the draft and Hogan, Nick, Evan.

We all heard about the 700 lost at bats during construction. Over and over again.

Rebuilding will take multiple seasons. We can only sign better players when we employ a coach with the ability to identify talent. We obviously are short there.

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I hear you, but because you gave money doesn't mean the personal side is not a factor.

I heard the same discussion on losing the 700 lost at bats and I will tell you his main complaint was Hudspeth unwillingness to work with him during the fall with the indoor practice facility schedule. But he couldn't say anything publicly about it because Farmer didn't have the balls to step in and force a compromise.

Again, we are in agreement that recruiting has been a problem and I think while you call it excuses because what is said publicly on the radio or in his Diamond Club, he still took ownership of it in my personal conversation with him last month.

And again, it may be that he can't change at this point in his career and the end is near. But unlike you I'm just not certain of it at this time and his 1150 plus career wins have a little something to do with it.

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Originally Posted by CajunT

I hear you, but because you gave money doesn't mean the personal side is not a factor.

I heard the same discussion on losing the 700 lost at bats and I will tell you his main complaint was Hudspeth unwillingness to work with him during the fall with the indoor practice facility schedule. But he couldn't say anything publicly about it because Farmer didn't have the balls to step in and force a compromise.

Again, we are in agreement that recruiting has been a problem and I think while you call it excuses because what is said publicly on the radio or in his Diamond Club, he still took ownership of it in my personal conversation with him last month.

And again, it may be that he can't change at this point in his career and the end is near. But unlike you I'm just not certain of it at this time and his 1150 plus career wins have a little something to do with it.

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I think we agree. I said I thought he has taken more blame lately, which is refreshing. Or at least not shifted blame to injured / drafted athletes. Every team fights injuries and at least hope players get to the next level at some point. I know Robe would like players drafted after eligibility is gone.

I sincerely hope he can adjust. The last thing I want is a new head coach. Everybody has to adjust to changing conditions, which are always changing. Ask Bill Belichek if he had to adjust over the past decade.

We are simply caught in a natural down cycle in the program. It is a force of nature, largely above control. Circumstances, personal tragedies in some cases, have combined resulting in a few average baseball teams, after a record of great success. I really dont blame anyone.

Every economist knows the economy will have another recession and one after that. If they could prevent it they would.

The baseball program is in a recession. It will get better at some point and I expect Robe will be part of that. Going through the process is not fun to see, though. I know it is really not fun if you wear the uni.

When I see the RPI list with numerous teams with past history of great success way down the page, I realize we are not alone, or unusual. It happens. The timing of this slump, on the heels of getting a new ballpark, is not good.

I trust in Robe. I know those that do are fewer. What worries me as a Robe person, Dr. Maggard is an absolute warlock at hiring coaches. He just don't miss.