Re: Is UL Athletics Broke?
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Originally Posted by
ExecutiveCajun
thats not up to us. its up to the state and the student body. they both already said no
what covers this is getting people to your games. separating rcaf to a private entity. hiring competent fund raisers. giving people a reason to join. getting students involved with private donations. early alumni groups with benefits for staying involved. going after the everyday joe with promotions. raising enrollment. developing the real estate around the fields. increasing student housing and having a lively on campus experience. alumni association getting off of their asses. rcaf board have some motivation other than how they get to their suite. getting the gameday and tailgating atmosphere right. or in other words admins doing their ____ing jobs
This!
Re: Is UL Athletics Broke?
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Originally Posted by
CajunVic
Your analysis, as usual, can't be further from the truth.
You do not get to set agenda's which are not yours, neither do they exist because you have said so.
This thread, with mounds of accurate and supplemental information is killing you, isn't?
Participate or sit on the side, but please don't try to taint with you regular BS.
Thanks
Vic
"This thread, with mounds of accurate and supplemental information is killing you, isn't?"
Actually, no.
"I don't think we did that. I believe the budget set was $750,000 and the target was CMD because with him, you get a lot more intangibles that you would not get with any other candidate at that salary."
This is your response to me an another post.
You "think" and "believe." Not "I know."
Vic, you've setting up a strawman argument. I don't think your intent is to denigrate Mike, or even his hiring, but your basic argument is that we could only afford $750,000. I even recall you saying we couldn't afford $750,001.
I don't think this is the case.
This entire thread is your supposition you try to insist is fact.
When in fact, it appears to just be your opinion.
Re: Is UL Athletics Broke?
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Originally Posted by
Cajun Monkee
"This thread, with mounds of accurate and supplemental information is killing you, isn't?"
Actually, no.
"I don't think we did that. I believe the budget set was $750,000 and the target was CMD because with him, you get a lot more intangibles that you would not get with any other candidate at that salary."
This is your response to me an another post.
You "think" and "believe." Not "I know."
Vic, you've setting up a strawman argument. I don't think your intent is to denigrate Mike, or even his hiring, but your basic argument is that we could only afford $750,000. I even recall you saying we couldn't afford $750,001.
I don't think this is the case.
This entire thread is your supposition you try to insist is fact.
When in fact, it appears to just be your opinion.
I have seen lots of things posted here but not one of them has refuted that fact in any way.
It is what we paid, so to say there was more without evidence becomes nothing more than a red herring.
It is a hard burden to refute what in fact has been done.
SHOW ME THE MONEY
Re: Is UL Athletics Broke?
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Originally Posted by
Geaux
Know what fills this gap, a Student Athletic Fee, just like every other competitive athletic program.
17K students × $300 athletic fee/semester = $5.1M/semester
If we are serious about athletics make this happen.
Why penalize ALL students for athletics? Fee are half of the tuition.
Re: Is UL Athletics Broke?
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Originally Posted by
CajunVic
I have seen lots of things posted here but not one of them has refuted that fact in any way.
It is what we paid, so to say there was more without evidence becomes nothing more than a red herring.
It is a hard burden to refute what in fact has been done.
SHOW ME THE MONEY
Desormeaux was the target before Napier left, for whenever he left.
All the salary $ justification (then and now) is reverse engineering Desormeaux's true value.
Re: Is UL Athletics Broke?
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Originally Posted by
CajunVic
I have seen lots of things posted here but not one of them has refuted that fact in any way.
It is what we paid, so to say there was more without evidence becomes nothing more than a red herring.
It is a hard burden to refute what in fact has been done.
SHOW ME THE MONEY
So if there is nothing there, offering Napier $3.2 was a non-starter, even if he wanted to stay.
We would have let him walk because we would have expected him to go back to $750,000.
Come on Vic, if nothing is there, nothing is there.
You "think" and you "believe."
Re: Is UL Athletics Broke?
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Originally Posted by
babysitter
Even when only 400 students attend games ?
Maybe if they pay for it they will attend. We always seem to think in small amounts to keep things cheap.
James Madison University has mandatory comprehensive student fees of $2,704 per semester. Of that amount, $1,166 per semester goes to support intercollegiate athletic programs for men and women. The rest goes to transportation services, student health services, auxiliary services, facilities, and student activity. JMU has 20,070 undergrads and a total enrollment of 22,206, just a little larger than UL. Do the math. That's $23,401,620 per semester ($1,166 X 20,070) or $46,803,240 per year in fees only. I don't think students voted for this, it is just a part of tuition as it is at most schools, if you want to attend. Hard to compete when we don't have such a fee. Excellence costs money. JMU gets it.
On top of that, JMU collects $775 per semester per undergrad student for Facilities (that would be total university facility, not just athletics). That is $15,554,250 per semester of $31,108,500 per year to maintain all facilities and we don't know how much of that is contributed to athletics.
Re: Is UL Athletics Broke?
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Originally Posted by
Turbine
Desormeaux was the target before Napier left, for whenever he left.
All the salary $ justification (then and now) is reverse engineering Desormeaux's true value.
It has absolutely nothing to do with his true value. It just happens to be what he is paid.
People are trying to quantify the hire based upon what he was paid.
Because of the many factors and attributes which make him the right hire for Louisiana at this time, you can’t equate pay with value. In this instance it just doesn’t work.
It is also not a proper evaluation to quantify this hire by Louisiana based upon what other schools might have hired him. The total of his positive attributes to be the HFC for Louisiana is far greater than the sum of their parts. Such would not be the case in making that evaluation for a hire at any other university.
Re: Is UL Athletics Broke?
Excellence costs money.
Depends on the level of desired excellence. Not always the case. NY Yankees come to mind.
Re: Is UL Athletics Broke?
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Originally Posted by
HoustonCajun
Maybe if they pay for it they will attend. We always seem to think in small amounts to keep things cheap.
James Madison University has mandatory comprehensive student fees of $2,704 per semester. Of that amount, $1,166 per semester goes to support intercollegiate athletic programs for men and women. The rest goes to transportation services, student health services, auxiliary services, facilities, and student activity. JMU has 20,070 undergrads and a total enrollment of 22,206, just a little larger than UL. Do the math. That's $23,401,620 per semester ($1,166 X 20,070) or $46,803,240 per year in fees only. I don't think students voted for this, it is just a part of tuition as it is at most schools, if you want to attend. Hard to compete when we don't have such a fee. Excellence costs money. JMU gets it.
On top of that, JMU collects $775 per semester per undergrad student for Facilities (that would be total university facility, not just athletics). That is $15,554,250 per semester of $31,108,500 per year to maintain all facilities and we don't know how much of that is contributed to athletics.
My niece attends JMU and they had a student protest last year over the athletic fees. The state legislature has gotten involved and there will be no more additional student athletic fees allowed at state institutions. Right now there is a push for the legislature to go further and reduce the percentage of student fees.
