Re: POLL: Rate the hire - Jim Harris
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Originally Posted by
BirdofParadise
Let me rephrase. Of the 12 original finalists, how many can you name? Tough to discern who was most qualified if you don't know who they are?
The Hale camp thinks he's better qualified than Harris. The rest placed their trust in the board to select the best candidate... Harris. The other candidates have no supporters. Why ask about them? This is strictly a Hale versus Harris thing. And we're not converging on a happy ending on here, no matter. Let's just let Harris do his job and report on the progress.
We all know UL chooses to operate these kind of processes out of the public eye. When you do that, your decisions must be perfect, or else you get destroyed. You either take the heat in the open view, or you must be perfect. There's no middle ground for public people. You, for instance, do your job with 100% public scrutiny, as you do your work. You take your criticism in small bites. Those that have public assignments, and try to hide their process, get destroyed when they aren't perfect. And I applaud that. Public transparency... or perfection. If one doesn't like those boundaries... go private.
Re: POLL: Rate the hire - Jim Harris
I wonder how long it will be before anyone can make points without bringing up Steve Hale's name. (Although you named him here, I"m not talking about you.)
The process has been completed. We have a hire.
So many on this board have said they'll support whoever was hired because they want UL to succeed.
Yet it's very difficult for them to make a point without bringing up Steve Hale.
It makes me wonder just how much they truly want to move on.
Re: POLL: Rate the hire - Jim Harris
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Originally Posted by
BirdofParadise
I wonder how long it will be before anyone can make points without bringing up Steve Hale's name.
55 years is the norm.
Re: POLL: Rate the hire - Jim Harris
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Originally Posted by
Cajun Monkee
Like a Cajun Shiva?
We can sing Hava Na-Guidry when it's over.
You know anybody who can do The Bottle Dance?
Acadiana High did a pretty good job of it back in the day. LOL
Re: POLL: Rate the hire - Jim Harris
Re: POLL: Rate the hire - Jim Harris
Hale's name is brought up in this specific instance because his resume and history is known, and in the opinion of many here is better than that of Harris.
The question is not whether those who supported Hale will support Harris. Virtually all have stated they will.
The question is whether the RCAF belongs to T-Joe and a few rich guys, or does it, as we have been being promised for several years, belong to the entire body of RCAF donors.
The outcome of this particular hire is relevant only because the process by which it was done is not congruent with what a very large group of mid level donors were told it would be.
Re: POLL: Rate the hire - Jim Harris
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Originally Posted by
VObserver
Hale's name is brought up in this specific instance because his resume and history is known, and in the opinion of many here is better than that of Harris.
The question is not whether those who supported Hale will support Harris. Virtually all have stated they will.
The question is whether the RCAF belongs to T-Joe and a few rich guys, or does it, as we have been being promised for several years, belong to the entire body of RCAF donors.
The outcome of this particular hire is relevant only because the process by which it was done is not congruent with what a very large group of mid level donors were told it would be.
Wasnt it stated somewhere that we were insignificant?
Z
Re: POLL: Rate the hire - Jim Harris
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Originally Posted by
cajun4life
That's harder info to come by.
In post #139 you claim that Robert is giving at the 'scholarship' level. I've searched for it but couldn't find that level anywhere on the taf site, so I was wondering if you could tell us how much that equals to, and where/how you obtained access to that info. Thanks.
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No, I said he was a 'Founding Donor' of the TAF scholarship endowment. I found it in a news release on the lsuforever pages. That site did not give an amount.
Google is your friend.
Re: POLL: Rate the hire - Jim Harris
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cajun4life
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that the average joe who donates to the RCAF is voiceless and the process was bogus. Jim Harris will be successful because we never had any outside funding arm until a few years ago. But to sit here and say that this was a process that was meant to hire the best candidate then it failed.
I also prefer to have Cajun first fans as sitting board numbers. Not John Bordelon as the chair of RCAF and spent his Saturday's in Baton Rouge or Robert Daigle who has given at the scholarship level to TAF.
I am not in a position to give $5 million for stadium improvements, but I've spent my blood, sweat and tears as an athlete here. The direction of this university is still aimless under this leadership.
John Bordelon's season tickets at UL are right behind mine. See him at just about every game. Actually, Robert Daigle's are not far from me as well and I do see him, it seems, at most games but I don't take roll call either.
Re: POLL: Rate the hire - Jim Harris
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Originally Posted by
VObserver
No, I said he was a 'Founding Donor' of the TAF scholarship endowment. I found it in a news release on the lsuforever pages. That site did not give an amount.
Google is your friend.
i wish they were more transparent!
i kid, i kid
Re: POLL: Rate the hire - Jim Harris
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Originally Posted by
zephyr
John Bordelon's season tickets at UL are right behind mine. See him at just about every game. Actually, Robert Daigle's are not far from me as well and I do see him, it seems, at most games but I don't take roll call either.
I am sure both of them come to games when there is no conflict with lsu at home, and may come to most, even where there is conflict.
I know I see Bordelon fairly often; Daigle I have not noticed, but that really does not mean he isn't there.
Re: POLL: Rate the hire - Jim Harris
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Originally Posted by
BirdofParadise
I wonder how long it will be before anyone can make points without bringing up Steve Hale's name. (Although you named him here, I"m not talking about you.)
The process has been completed. We have a hire.
So many on this board have said they'll support whoever was hired because they want UL to succeed.
Yet it's very difficult for them to make a point without bringing up Steve Hale.
It makes me wonder just how much they truly want to move on.
Steve Hale's name has more to do with the actual process of the hire than with Harris. And you have to know that with all the posting you have been doing here over the past two weeks.
Why move on? Why stop caring? Why accept what we are given? Over the course of history...many opportunities would be lost if more people would just face facts and take what they are given. We wouldn't have a vaccine for Polio. We wouldn't have gone to the moon. Etc., etc., etc. What you are intimating is that we are making this all about Steve Hale...and taking a giant ____ on Jim Harris. Far from truth. Instead we still want to hold the administration accountable for a shady, cloak and dagger process that, just like you agreed with, should have interviewed a very good candidate for ED of the RCAF.
Re: POLL: Rate the hire - Jim Harris
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Originally Posted by
cajunhawk
Steve Hale's name has more to do with the actual process of the hire than with Harris. And you have to know that with all the posting you have been doing here over the past two weeks.
Why move on? Why stop caring? Why accept what we are given? Over the course of history...many opportunities would be lost if more people would just face facts and take what they are given. We wouldn't have a vaccine for Polio. We wouldn't have gone to the moon. Etc., etc., etc. What you are intimating is that we are making this all about Steve Hale...and taking a giant ____ on Jim Harris. Far from truth. Instead we still want to hold the administration accountable for a shady, cloak and dagger process that, just like you agreed with, should have interviewed a very good candidate for ED of the RCAF.
Why are we only holding the administration accountable for the process? What about the board members who know of this "shady, cloak and dagger process" that aren't saying anything publicly? Why do they get a free pass for not speaking up?
Re: POLL: Rate the hire - Jim Harris
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duggie85
Why are we only holding the administration accountable for the process? What about the board members who know of this "shady, cloak and dagger process" that aren't saying anything publicly? Why do they get a free pass for not speaking up?
Who appointed the members?
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Ditto---row 31/D-2
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Originally Posted by
zephyr
John Bordelon's season tickets at UL are right behind mine. See him at just about every game. Actually, Robert Daigle's are not far from me as well and I do see him, it seems, at most games but I don't take roll call either.
Re: POLL: Rate the hire - Jim Harris
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Originally Posted by
cajunhawk
Who appointed the members?
The administration.
I answered your question, so answer mine: We know that appointed board members believe the process was corrupt. Should they not speak up?
Re: POLL: Rate the hire - Jim Harris
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Originally Posted by
duggie85
The administration.
I answered your question, so answer mine: We know that appointed board members believe the process was corrupt. Should they not speak up?
Ask Rusty Cloutier.
Re: POLL: Rate the hire - Jim Harris
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Originally Posted by
duggie85
Why are we only holding the administration accountable for the process? What about the board members who know of this "shady, cloak and dagger process" that aren't saying anything publicly? Why do they get a free pass for not speaking up?
They don't, Duggie. Not with me anyway. I don't trust them either, particularly the ones on the Executive Board.
You know, Duggie, there is nothing wrong with making a decision based on economics, or any number of other factors. But if they are making that kind of decision using your money and mine, we deserve straight answers to simple questions.
Neither the administration nor the board sees it that way, because they see us as inconsequential. As far as I am concerned, any person who so much as walks up to the ticket booth at a volleyball game and pays $6 for a ga ticket is a Cajuns fan, and deserves transparency from the folks spending his money.
The university has a system imposed cap of 3% of total budget that can be spent on athletics, and it does not spend that amount. Several of the people who have been leading this 'uprising' invest a higher percentage of disposable income in the program than the University does, some significantly more. You bet your azz we deserve to know from all responsible parties how and why they are spending our money.
We aren't getting that from the Administration and we aren't getting it from the Board of RCAF.
Why do you think that the top priority for nearly every 'dissenter' in here is an independent RCAF with a Board elected by the donors?
Re: POLL: Rate the hire - Jim Harris
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Originally Posted by
cajunhawk
Ask Rusty Cloutier.
Ding ding ding!!! I respect Rusty more than any other person who has ever served on the board. He saw that the University was slow-playing growth and spoke up about it. Remarkably soon after that he was a former Board member.
Re: POLL: Rate the hire - Jim Harris
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VObserver
Ding ding ding!!! I respect Rusty more than any other person who has ever served on the board. He saw that the University was slow-playing growth and spoke up about it. Remarkably soon after that he was a former Board member.
Thanks for sharing that, did not know that happened. I would be interested to see what would happen if a group spoke out.
