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Originally Posted by CajunCanaille
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I agree... I like the ul lafayette helmetQuote:
Originally Posted by CajunCanaille
With all due respect, Hammer, I disagree. Winning is not the main thing, and you and I prove it every time we show up at a game, at tailgating, or even on these boards, and support the Cajuns even though they're losing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammer58
In fact, that was your point above, that you support UL even when they aren't winning.
A more important thing is community... which is an extension of family, which is the most important thing. When our family is out there competing, we support them win or lose.
UL is my family. Which means you guys are also family.
Which, I'm afraid, means no more french-kissing between you & Zeebart.
8-D
Seriously, I thought about that a lot this year in baseball, when I was sitting up there and we were getting pounded. I'd look around at the hilarious jackasses who sit around me (and I suppose I'm one of 'em), and think how lucky I am, to live in this community.
I wouldn't trade this community for every national championship for the next 100 years. And I bet a lot of people here would agree with me... which is exactly why we stick around while the doggies and tiagras and pokebacks make fun of us.
Some things are more important than winning. Community is one of them.
The Kool aide sippers don't realize the most important thing. There is a point where you just give up. I don't live in Lafayette Parish. I would think many of our alumni do not if so then we don't deserve the name "Louisiana". Lafayette is a wonderful city but if that makes or breaks our college then we are a community college. BTW Nothing is more important than winning. You must win to make a community. A lot of regulars on here don't realize that you have grads from all 50 states. It is easy to forget a loser and just support the pro team in your area. Winning is everthing and it isn't a dollar value where you can place on it. Money helps but it isn't everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by CajunFun
Yea, right. You quote my post and comment on it but its not directed at me.Quote:
Originally Posted by RCAJUN90
As for your point suggesting that we stop donating, that's a real formula for success. (That was sarcasm in case you didn't pick up on it.) Money drives college sports today. If you want the level of success that you claim then you better be ready to step up. And that goes for all of us. Whenever the administration gets off its ass and starts up the Cajun Athletic Foundation we all better be ready to contribute or we can expect more of the same on the field. If you want a significanlty superior product on the field you had better be willing to contribute to greatly enhance our budget in order to eventually see it happen. And the investment needs to be made NOW. Like anything else the investment must be made first in order to see the results at a later date.
We raised $150M without winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by RCAJUN90
We were the first school to make Doc II in Louisiana without winning.
We'll be the first school to make it to Doc I & rival State, without winning.
We've grown R&D here to $50M/year (and still going) without winning.
We've continually grown our campus without winning.
We've added innovative PhD & research programs without winning.
And those things prove-- correction, they are the very things that prove-- that we're certainly no community college.
On the other hand, McNeese & Tech & others have won more than we have, but they aren't doing any of these things.
Sports don't make a great University. Being a great University makes a great University.
There are different flavors of Kool-Aid... I guess the one that bothers me the most is not the one that's a different color from mine, it's the one that leads people to start with a conclusion and build their arguments from there, the one that convinces people that there is only one way to do anything, the one that keeps them from ever admitting to any data that suggests that there might be another way to approach a problem, the one that makes one question the value of a college education.
Anyway, I have one great advantage over you; at least mine's vermilion:
It might pain you to realize that the world does not revolve around you. You have made it a point to make this about you but it is not. You and several others complain so much about the vast amounts of money you give to the program, one can only say perhaps you should stop. I was always taught that if you give something to someone you are not to speak about because then it is not a donation. The team has to win to garner the support we all seek. McNeese and ULM have less but beat us on the field so it isn't all about money. This is a helmet thread and I thought how sad it is that we are worried so much about how we look. We could have plain red helmets and as long as we win I would be happy. Bustle has had plenty of time and we are going into another season with him at the helm and I think I speak for everyone when I say I hope we are successful but I highly doubt it. Then we will have to look for a new coach and start all over. On the bright side, look for short lines in the bathrooms and concessions. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Hammer58
Isn't that what you guys wanted to hang Dr. A on? He cared more about academics than athletics. The school is growing even with a terrible football team. Just think how much better we would be with a competitive team! That would help complete the college experience for our students. Around these parts they are calling UL the new LSU. In my mind that is a positive especially if we can start producing on the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by CajunFun
Exactly, its not about me. It about UL and supporting this program if you expect success. Petey, you still have not answered the question of what YOU contribute to this program. As usual you dance around the question, change the subject and try to turn it into a personal argument. And if by the statement highlighted above you are trying to imply that you secretly donate, escuse me if I don't buy it. You have stated repeatedly that you will not give to this program. So I guess your answer by ommission is: you give NOTHING. So don't be disappointed when that is what you get in return.Quote:
Originally Posted by RCAJUN90
When I brought up the subject of increased funding I fully expected you to bring up mcneese and monroe. The argument that they beat us with less is flawed because the mcneese budget is not significantly less than ours and the monroe budget is virtually the same. In addition listening to a mcneese alum whose son just recently finished playing baseball for mcneese, the complaint is that they put the majority of their resources into football and allow the other sports to suffer. So their actual football budget may be even closer to our football budget. But the main point is that if you want a successful program we (all of us including you) need to contribute and increase the budget exponentially. That will be especially true if the current staff does not turn it around and we do need to find a new coach. Afterall, you were the one who cried that we needed to hire Steve Spurrier. Think he is going to work for peanuts? Where do you expect to get the money to pay for ANY coach that is better than Bustle, much less to pay for a Spurrier-type coach?
I give exactly zero dollars to the program. There is no dancing around that. I haven't been to a game in a very long time. Don't plan on going to one anytime soon unless they start winning. You blow off McNeese and ULM but it does prove that money alone will not get the program where it should be. McNeese not only beat us but blew us out at home. As far as getting a Spurrier type coach well some of you guys seem to be daddy warbucks so pony up some more money. Actually someone on here pointed out that a named coach doesn't always work. ASU had some guy I forget his name but he was a named coach and he didn't workout so well. The one they got from NWST is doing very well. If Bustle doesn't win then almost anyone would be better. Just to give fans hope. Isn't Coach Tate coaching at a high school right now? He did well for McNeese for a while. He started to lose so they got rid of him also I believe there a few other problems. We need to find a young hungery coach with potential and here is a key thing. He should have experience at being a head coach. When was the last time we actually hired a head coach?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammer58
No one argues that money alone will get it done. It also takes the right people. But money is a key component to getting the facilities that will bring in upper echelon players and help lure a good coach. As for the type of coach to hire, there have been many discussions here with many of the particpants agreeing that an up and coming successful head coach from a lower division (d1aa) is probably the way to go rather than a BCS coordinator. But are you seriously suggesting hiring Tate? You just stated that he was fired from a lower division team for losing and other problems. I don't thaink that hire would generate much fan interrest.Quote:
Originally Posted by RCAJUN90
And you don't have to be Daddy Warbucks to contribute to UL athletics. You just have to be willing to put your money where your mouth is.