Savoie on the Budget Cuts

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Originally Posted by RIVERRANCHMAN

Here we go again making assumptions about the causes for state problems and low & behold, LSU is at fault. . . . We really don’t have any university that can be considered well funded.

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Originally Posted by RIVERRANCHMAN

IN 1967 LSUS was opened.

IN 1970, LA Tech changed to its current name

Motive? _

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You bring up one of the later examples that happened before the current Constitution went into effect. I am pretty sure LSU followed the letter of the Law in establishing the Shreveport school. But it does have bearing on why "We really don’t have any university that can be considered well funded."

Make no mistake LSU had been at that game for years, not always on the up and up.

HN2 La. Const. art. 4, § 14 required a two-thirds vote of the members elected to the Legislature in order to establish an educational institution other than those existing in Louisiana in 1921.

LSU is directly responsible for the vast majority of the redundant universities in this state.

Establish and abandon was often the method used. In opposition to HN2 La. Const. art. 4, § 14 LSU was able to establish 2 new schools through opposite means. In one they dumped assets to establish a new University. In the other they took donation of a school boards assets to do so. In both cases to greater or lesser extents they did an end around of HN2 La. Const. art. 4, § 14 of the former Louisiana Constitution.

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Originally Posted by bballholic

_ The worst part about all of this is that I've spent money and time to support the Cajuns throughout the years. I have no problem going to catch a UL-Lafayette baseball, football, or basketball game to cheer on the Cajuns as long as it doesn't conflict with LSU. I must admit, the hatred on this board makes me not want to do so in the future. I've had some great times catching Cajun baseball games in the past and was planning on going to some weekday games this upcoming season. _

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And you are an alumnus of what university?????

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Originally Posted by RIVERRANCHMAN

_ I have read the UL “Name Battle” many times. It is misleading and full of assertions rather than facts. Once again blaming LSU. Not much is mentioned about the other universities crying foul, is there? If I remember, every university in the state had an issue with it. _

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If I remember correctly the vote was 100% by the UL system schools for the name change of USL to UL!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Boomer

_ If I remember correctly the vote was 100% by the UL system schools for the name change of USL to UL!!!!! _

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Not quite. The Lake Chuck representative (Newman) and Monroe rep (Swearingen) oppossed it. Of course, it was funny that later when Swearingen took over at moanroe he tried to use the UL name.

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Originally Posted by Hammer58

_ Not quite. The Lake Chuck representative (Newman) and Monroe rep (Swearingen) oppossed it. Of course, it was funny that later when Swearingen took over at moanroe he tried to use the UL name. _

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It worked for Northeast Louisiana as it got them a name change to ULM and admittance to the SBC. And, the beginning of identity misery for UL.

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Originally Posted by HoustonCajun

_ It worked for Northeast Louisiana as it got them a name change to ULM and admittance to the SBC. And, the beginning of identity misery for UL. _

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It may have worked out that way for them but it wasn't part of any master plan by them. Their opposition to the name change and eventual agreement to the subsequent standards put in place were two entirely different issues with different circumstances driving their actions.

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Originally Posted by RIVERRANCHMAN

_ “with the strong support of powerful LSU backers on and off the Board,”

Names? How do you know they were LSU backers or even powerful? Didn’t the previous paragraph say administrators at other schools were against it? Yet only the LSU chancellor gets mentioned as opposing the change.

“Judge Brown was an alumnus of LSU, and an active supporter of that school, he did not recuse himself from the case despite this apparent conflict of interest. “

Would it been ok if a Southern grad would have made the ruling? I would bet that 80% of the judges in Louisiana are LSU Law School grads and the other 20% from Southern, Tulane or Loyola. The only judges without an alleged conflict of interest would have to be educated out of state. I am sure one was available but how practicle was that.

“UL Lafayette (“LOUISIANA”), similar to UC Berkeley (“CALIFORNIA”), UT Knoxville (“TENNESSEE”), UA Fayetteville (“ARKANSAS”), UNC Chapel Hill ("NORTH CAROLINA"), and UT Austin (“TEXAS”), among others, is the largest and oldest of the schools that share the same name.”

Wrong. All of the above are flagship universities of their respective systems in addition to being the oldest and original, except UL-Lafayette. Since there is no official flagship university of the UL system there is no “Louisiana”. But we can pretend! _

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Why does this matter to you?

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Originally Posted by Boomer

_ And you are an alumnus of what university????? _

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I'm an alumnus of LSU, but I do quite a bit of work in the Lafayette area. My family owns an oil company in Lafayette, and I'm in the business as well. If I'm around town and the Cajuns are playing, I see nothing wrong with attending a few games regardless of what school I attended. My father in-law played baseball at UL (USL at the time), and I've made several bball games with him over the years. I have a lot of good friends that have also attended UL, and I've gone to basketball and football games over the years if LSU isn't playing at the same time. Personally, I have season tickets for LSU football and basketball, and split a set of baseball tickets with an attorney out of Lafayette. I'm a huge fan of collegiate athletics in general, and I enjoy visiting different venues.

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Originally Posted by Hammer58

_ Not quite. The Lake Chuck representative (Newman) and Monroe rep (Swearingen) oppossed it. Of course, it was funny that later when Swearingen took over at moanroe he tried to use the UL name. _

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Hammer, I think he was referring to the board vote, not the subsequent move by the legislature to overturn it.

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Originally Posted by RaginFan2

_ Hammer, I think he was referring to the board vote, not the subsequent move by the legislature to overturn it. _

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I stand corrected.

Riverranchman is the eptiome of a paper tiger.

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Originally Posted by cajunhawk

_ Riverranchman is the eptiome of a paper tiger. _

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Exacly. No matter what we say, or how solid and obvious our points are, they will always have some kind of spin to add to it. There is an agenda out there, plain and simple. From Politics to athletics, LSU has held this state (and UL particularly) hostage for decades.

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Originally Posted by Boomer

_ If I remember correctly the vote was 100% by the UL system schools for the name change of USL to UL!!!!! _

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It is in paragraph 1 of "Battle for a Name" :o:

The vote was 17-1 by the Board of Trustees for State Colleges and Universities who had the same executive rights as the Board of Regents.

It is funny and sad, when the Judge couldn’t find a law prohibiting executive name changes by the Board of Trustees he used the backdoor "there is no law that says you can" route. By that logic I think it is illegal to drive a car at high noon.

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Originally Posted by bballholic

_ I'm going to go visit a La Tech board and UL (Monroe) board to see if they have the same amount of hate towards LSU. _

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You bet your sweet ass they do...O..

Fact is, the Techies have us beat in droves on that point.

P.S. you'll find a lot more sympathizers on the Monroe board.

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Originally Posted by RIVERRANCHMAN

Problem with that is you’re the minority in town.

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No, the problem is that you think you are the majority in town when the reality is more of a plurailty.

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No, I am not an LSU graduate, either. _

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That's as obvious as it is pathetic.

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Originally Posted by AstroCajun

_ You bet your sweet ass they do...O..

Fact is, the Techies have us beat in droves on that point.

P.S. you'll find a lot more sympathizers on the Monroe board. _

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No doubt there will be LSU "haters" on all the state school message boards.

But I'd venture to say that due to the close proximity of the schools, it's a little worse over here (though not by a mile).

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Originally Posted by cajunhawk

_ Riverranchman is the eptiome of a paper tiger. _

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I am not even an LSU grad, I am just making an observation. I don't recall confessing my allegences. Do I support LSU? Yes. But I do support UL-Lafayette also. But as I previoulsy stated, according to people who post on this message board, "support" of the Cajuns usually means you have to hate LSU, no exceptions.

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Originally Posted by AstroCajun

_ No, the problem is that you think you are the majority in town when the reality is more of a plurailty.



That's as obvious as it is pathetic. _

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If you choose to live a lie, I can't help you. You're out of your mind.

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Originally Posted by RIVERRANCHMAN

I am not even an LSU grad, I am just making an observation. I don't recall confessing my allegences. Do I support LSU? Yes. But I do support UL-Lafayette also. But as I previoulsy stated, according to people who post on this message board, "support" of the Cajuns usually means you have to hate LSU, no exceptions.

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There are plenty of UL supporters who don't hate LSU. We would like to be able to
peacefully co-exist with them. The problem is that there are people within LSU and that support LSU that have the view that ANY other university's advancement comes at LSU's
detriment. The big worry is MONEY!! They think we are taking what's rightfully theirs.

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Originally Posted by RIVERRANCHMAN

_ I am not even an LSU grad, I am just making an observation. I don't recall confessing my allegences. Do I support LSU? Yes. But I do support UL-Lafayette also. But as I previoulsy stated, according to people who post on this message board, "support" of the Cajuns usually means you have to hate LSU, no exceptions. _

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That is absolutely incorrect. There are posters on this board who are fans of both schools and provide logical arguments on both sides of the fence when need be. They are treated with respect and nobody here demands that you dislike LSU in order to be a cajun fan. I DID graduate from LSU and I grew to dislike them more while I was there than before. That is my choice and I have plenty of reasons for my feelings but i won't hold it against somebody here if they are an LSU fan but the problem is that when you get the typical tiger fan on this board, they treat their allegiance with an air of cockiness that is hard to take. Chances are, if you have been a Cajun fan for a long period of time, there are events that have taken place that have caused you to look at LSU with a certain disdain and I think that is why you see the collective dislike towards them on this board. There aren't a lot of bandwagon Cajun fans out there because there haven't been a lot of successes in recent years to jump on the bandwagon for! Our fanbase is a loyal one and I prefer to look at it in that sense rather than one that hates LSU as much as it loves its own school. That is not necessarily true.

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Originally Posted by RIVERRANCHMAN

_ If you choose to live a lie, I can't help you. You're out of your mind. _

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The other problem that we face daily is winning over people like yourself. You seem to not necessarily have any direct allegiance to one local school and you say that you support both LSU and UL. However, that is the fanbase we are trying to capture. The local people who may rather go to a UL athletic event which provides a much better family atmosphere and easier on the pockets rather than sending that money to Baton Rouge. However, I'd bet that if you compared how much money you spend on LSU merchandise or events vs. UL, I'd bet you spend more on LSU. There is not necessarily anything wrong with that but our University and fanbase would like to change that.

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Originally Posted by RIVERRANCHMAN

_ I am not even an LSU grad, I am just making an observation. I don't recall confessing my allegences. Do I support LSU? Yes. But I do support UL-Lafayette also. But as I previoulsy stated, according to people who post on this message board, "support" of the Cajuns usually means you have to hate LSU, no exceptions. _

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What is your definition of support?

Is your definition of UL support equal to your definition of State support?

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Originally Posted by RIVERRANCHMAN

_ I am not even an LSU grad, I am just making an observation. I don't recall confessing my allegences. Do I support LSU? Yes. But I do support UL-Lafayette also. But as I previoulsy stated, according to people who post on this message board, "support" of the Cajuns usually means you have to hate LSU, no exceptions. _

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No your "support" for both schools allows you to lean heavily towards the winning school. Just like everyone who says I pull for all state schools, just means you can always hitch your wagon to a winning team. Your a typical bandwagonner and that is just a sad and pathetic existence, your as loyal as a piece of cheese.

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Originally Posted by RIVERRANCHMAN

_ If you choose to live a lie, I can't help you. You're out of your mind. _

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Who is more the fool: the fool, or the one who follows him?

At least I've taken a side.

My allegiances are not hidden.

I don't pretend to be something I am not.

I support my town AND my school.

And if you don't think that UL has a bigger economic impact in this city than State does, you are the one who is out of his mind.

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Originally Posted by rhineaux

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Is your definition of UL support equal to your definition of State support? _

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I'm an LSU alum, so my full support will always go to the Tigers. Having said that, I don't have a problem pulling for other in-state schools when LSU isn't involved.