Trey Amos in the portal

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Originally Posted by KajunKrazy

... NIL and transfer portal is killing the G5 schools.

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...It is killing FCS, G5 and the lower P5 schools.

This is a professional model now.

Players drafted from FCS, G5 and the bottom of the P5 have fallen a lot from last season. The players are sorting themselves according to NIL value. For college football, conferences mean nothing now. The new division line is NIL capacity. The end result will be a system similar to the baseball minor league system.

Top of P5 is the AAA. Bottom P5/TopG5 is AA. Bottom G5/FCS is A.

Now, it could be possible that in the future a situation like we have in baseball arises where we have distinct MLB affiliated professional minor league and the collegiate model coexisting. For this to happen, the top of the P5 will have to completely divorce themselves from the NCAA for football only, and the rest of us continue with the pre-NIL model.

I, for one, am praying greatly that this happens.

____ this! I hate everything about NIL and the portal. The portal more than anything.

Is there ever going to be a cap on NIL $$$? Or is it just an unfettered arms race until college kids are making more than professionals?

Top P5 will always need rent a wins in order to complete a perfect or near perfect season. They really don’t want to divorce themselves because they do not want to have the L risks 12 weeks out of the season. It’s just too hard.

That will be our place in the scheme of things.

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Originally Posted by RedTails

Is there ever going to be a cap on NIL $$$? Or is it just an unfettered arms race until college kids are making more than professionals?

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There will never be a cap. NIL in college is just like sponsorships in NFL. It’s outside money from the organized sport itself. Money from the organized sport can be capped because to play in the organization you must follow those rules. Each professional is free to go out in the market and make as much or little as the market will bare.

Now college athletes are under the same rules. NCAA governess what they can get from the school. NIL governs what they can get outside of the school.

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Originally Posted by CajunVic

There will never be a cap. NIL in college is just like sponsorships in NFL. It’s outside money from the organized sport itself. Money from the organized sport can be capped because to play in the organization you must follow those rules. Each professional is free to go out in the market and make as much or little as the market will bare.

Now college athletes are under the same rules. NCAA governess what they can get from the school. NIL governs what they can get outside of the school.

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That makes sense. If NIL can't be reined in, then the transfer portal rules need tweaking.

There really is no legal way to rein in NIL after the United State Supreme Court has spoken.

The only available mechanism to somewhat rein in what is out there now would be for the NCAA to go back to requiring that a player sit out a year upon transfer. I doubt seriously that the P5 will allow it to go back to that at this juncture.

So, like I said, it is what it is and we will have to learn to live with it.

Just going out there and getting better pitching or a better QB or better linemen will just not be easy other than to recruit freshmen talent that has not been discovered and develop them until their big NIL deal comes around. To compete there, there will need to be a lot more investment here than is available at the moment.

It is what it is.

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Originally Posted by RedTails

That makes sense. If NIL can't be reined in, then the transfer portal rules need tweaking.

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Transfer portal and NIL is killing G5s. Death by a thousand cuts. If NIL has no limits, then the portal needs adjusting. Sitting out a year will help stop some of the mass exodus. Only allow one transfer in your college career or must stay at a school a minimum of two or three years before eligible to transfer out. Just a few suggestions.

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Originally Posted by RedTails

That makes sense. If NIL can't be reined in, then the transfer portal rules need tweaking.

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They have been changed. There are now two windows when the transfer portal opens. One is in May (1-15) for the first two weeks , yesterday was the first day for the spring period. Graduate students can transfer at any time. The first window begins runs 45 days, beginning the day after the national championship in that sport.

Make no mistake about this…Trey is another NFL talent we are losing.

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Originally Posted by Big Buds

Make no mistake about this…Trey is another NFL talent we are losing.

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Well it didn't exactly work out well for Garner right? Torrence was an All-American when he left UL so his draft evaluation improved a little according to evaluators. There is no guarantee of being drafted simply by transferring. The NIL opportunities are the first priorty for most G5 athletes and working with a specific coach or staff that have a history of sending a number of athletes to the NFL.

BTW, two sources in the SEC told me Amos's NIL deal offered was for his own clothing attire line including hoodies and other accessories, total value of around $300K. That doesn't mean he will make that much, but that is what they offered. He has two years of eligibility left.

I can't conceive of the amount of money I would have to have to give hundreds of thousands of it a kid to play football for a few years at my school.

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Originally Posted by CajunT

BTW, two sources in the SEC told me Amos's NIL deal offered was for his own clothing attire line including hoodies and other accessories, total value of around $300K. That doesn't mean he will make that much, but that is what they offered. He has two years of eligibility left.

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This resembles bowl game money.

"Here is the value of the seats now go out and sell them."

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Originally Posted by CajunT

Well it didn't exactly work out well for Garner right? Torrence was an All-American when he left UL so his draft evaluation improved a little according to evaluators. There is no guarantee of being drafted simply by transferring. The NIL opportunities are the first priorty for most G5 athletes and working with a specific coach or staff that have a history of sending a number of athletes to the NFL.

BTW, two sources in the SEC told me Amos's NIL deal offered was for his own clothing attire line including hoodies and other accessories, total value of around $300K. That doesn't mean he will make that much, but that is what they offered. He has two years of eligibility left.

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Very true, T. I felt Trey was a legitimate NFL prospect as recent as last year. He did a great job holding his own vs. Tank Dell in Shreveport. I’m just upset right now.

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Originally Posted by CajunT

Well it didn't exactly work out well for Garner right? Torrence was an All-American when he left UL so his draft evaluation improved a little according to evaluators. There is no guarantee of being drafted simply by transferring. The NIL opportunities are the first priorty for most G5 athletes and working with a specific coach or staff that have a history of sending a number of athletes to the NFL.

BTW, two sources in the SEC told me Amos's NIL deal offered was for his own clothing attire line including hoodies and other accessories, total value of around $300K. That doesn't mean he will make that much, but that is what they offered. He has two years of eligibility left.

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There’s guys who make it, and many more who don’t. Amos has 2 years to make a brand line of clothing, the backing goes away after FB unless the scores a solid NFL gig. Theoretically he could finish college, no pro gig, in debt up to his neck, NIL gone and then what?

Unfortunately, this will keep happening. Its obviously demoralizing to fans. There's a corrosive effect to programs from all of this. Having said that, I'm not opposed to players making $$$ like anyone else trying to get ahead in life. NIL is here to stay in some shape or form even though some the money being tossed around is insane. But I do wonder if the NCAA could tighten up these transfer rules a bit basing it upon a reasonable dose of academic integrity? For example, no transfer until you have at least 90 credit hours and of course the grad transfer rule remains as is. The top flight players going pro will leave after their 3rd year of eligibility anyway.

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Originally Posted by CajunT

Well it didn't exactly work out well for Garner right? Torrence was an All-American when he left UL so his draft evaluation improved a little according to evaluators. There is no guarantee of being drafted simply by transferring. The NIL opportunities are the first priorty for most G5 athletes and working with a specific coach or staff that have a history of sending a number of athletes to the NFL.

BTW, two sources in the SEC told me Amos's NIL deal offered was for his own clothing attire line including hoodies and other accessories, total value of around $300K. That doesn't mean he will make that much, but that is what they offered. He has two years of eligibility left.

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It's not even really the deal that bothers me. Sure it's a massive carrot in front of anyone, but you can't tell me that he did not have an idea about what would be available before he entered the portal. That's what really ticks me off. Players being actively lured away from universities they are actively enrolled in. The NIL rules are pretty limited, but they are clear that you can't use it to recruit player away from school to school.

Anyway. I saw Garner was at the combine. He went undrafted and signed as a UDFA with the Eagles. Not exactly anything that he could not have done with another season at Louisiana.

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Originally Posted by CajunT

Well it didn't exactly work out well for Garner right? Torrence was an All-American when he left UL so his draft evaluation improved a little according to evaluators. There is no guarantee of being drafted simply by transferring. The NIL opportunities are the first priorty for most G5 athletes and working with a specific coach or staff that have a history of sending a number of athletes to the NFL.

BTW, two sources in the SEC told me Amos's NIL deal offered was for his own clothing attire line including hoodies and other accessories, total value of around $300K. That doesn't mean he will make that much, but that is what they offered. He has two years of eligibility left.

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Yeah, my first thought about the "better draft prospect" argument was Garner.

BTW, to your point about an apparel line, are any of the old Fruit of the Loom mills anywhere close to be functional. Just halfway joking but have the collective buth the plant and set everybody up with their own lines.

Or have the collective buy the Ragin' Cajun Store and everybody gets a cut.

Maybe?

I just get so bummed when kids graduate; this crap hurts my soul.

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Originally Posted by Cajun Monkee

Yeah, my first thought about the "better draft prospect" argument was Garner.

BTW, to your point about an apparel line, are any of the old Fruit of the Loom mills anywhere close to be functional. Just halfway joking but have the collective buth the plant and set everybody up with their own lines.

Or have the collective buy the Ragin' Cajun Store and everybody gets a cut.

Maybe?

I just get so bummed when kids graduate; this crap hurts my soul.

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I don't know what happened to them but Fruit of the Loom donated apparel manufacturing equipment to Authement with the idea of starting an apparel manufacturing degree of some sort.

Can we find a mothball sniffing canine?

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Originally Posted by RaginScotsman

It's not even really the deal that bothers me. Sure it's a massive carrot in front of anyone, but you can't tell me that he did not have an idea about what would be available before he entered the portal. That's what really ticks me off. Players being actively lured away from universities they are actively enrolled in. The NIL rules are pretty limited, but they are clear that you can't use it to recruit player away from school to school.

Anyway. I saw Garner was at the combine. He went undrafted and signed as a UDFA with the Eagles. Not exactly anything that he could not have done with another season at Louisiana.

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Pretty sure garner HURT his draft stock going to A&M

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Originally Posted by RaginScotsman

It's not even really the deal that bothers me. Sure it's a massive carrot in front of anyone, but you can't tell me that he did not have an idea about what would be available before he entered the portal. That's what really ticks me off. Players being actively lured away from universities they are actively enrolled in. The NIL rules are pretty limited, but they are clear that you can't use it to recruit player away from school to school.

Anyway. I saw Garner was at the combine. He went undrafted and signed as a UDFA with the Eagles. Not exactly anything that he could not have done with another season at Louisiana.

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Of course not, tampering clearly is going on through back channels. What's ironic is several staff members expressed their concern about Amos last year at the coach's crawfish boil. This past season was his first as a starter which would give other programs more video to evaluate. His parents assured the staff that Amos was here to stay.

Going forward, the athletes have stipends and NIL opportunities. I'm not entirely against it because it now presents a professional landscape in college football in player and coaches relationships. The athletes can leave for NIL opportunities and the coaches have the right to cut them from the program without paying them a dime.

I don't want to hear from parents that they were lied to by coaches and don't want to hear the term student athlete again.

All this stuff just is sad. I’m afraid so many young men are going to get screwed over on some of these so called deals.

Had to laugh at the WBB player from TSATB. Got a MB today for her birthday. She better hit some great endorsement deals post college. The WBNA doesn’t pay that kind of money.

Just another person making my point, many of these NILs are paying beyond what most recipients probably will make after their college careers are over.

I personally am waiting on the reports to start coming in regarding failure to file/pay income taxes.

Before NIL/Transfer Portal era, I could understand the dual allegiance some fans in Acadiana has. But now if LSU gets a Mehki Garner or a Trey Amos from UL, I don't know how a fan like that processes that without seeing where their true allegiance lies.

What's so frustrating to me is that the access is there for a G5 more than ever in terms of participating in the expanded CFB playoffs, and yet unrestricted free agency that is NIL + Transfer Portal pushes us even farther away. Now more than ever we NEED people to sell this program to Acadiana. All of the money funneling across the basin from our regions' coffers should be fenced in. The unfounded elitism in Baton Rouge and their theft of Cajun culture in absence of their own makes it hard for me to be a fan of both schools, and I try. We have D1 postseason access in ALL sports that we sponsor with the expanded CFB playoffs. UL admin should be shouting from every major intersection that we can build something better in our own backyard without having to go East on I-10.

Academia and the campus are booming. Athletics admin is saying we're $8-$9 million down from where we need to be. Outside of a single giving day campaign, are we just in an eternal silent fundraising phase???? It's honestly hard to keep caring when it seems like there is no one caring in official capacity. If there is, we don't see it. Maybe it's not my business to know if anyone is caring as lafman said in a previous thread.

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Originally Posted by RedTails

Before NIL/Transfer Portal era, I could understand the dual allegiance some fans in Acadiana has. But now if LSU gets a Mehki Garner or a Trey Amos from UL, I don't know how a fan like that processes that without seeing where their true allegiance lies.

What's so frustrating to me is that the access is there for a G5 more than ever in terms of participating in the expanded CFB playoffs, and yet unrestricted free agency that is NIL + Transfer Portal pushes us even farther away. Now more than ever we NEED people to sell this program to Acadiana. All of the money funneling across the basin from our regions' coffers should be fenced in. The unfounded elitism in Baton Rouge and their theft of Cajun culture in absence of their own makes it hard for me to be a fan of both schools, and I try. We have D1 postseason access in ALL sports that we sponsor with the expanded CFB playoffs. UL admin should be shouting from every major intersection that we can build something better in our own backyard without having to go East on I-10.

Academia and the campus are booming. Athletics admin is saying we're $8-$9 million down from where we need to be. Outside of a single giving day campaign, are we just in an eternal silent fundraising phase???? It's honestly hard to keep caring when it seems like there is no one caring in official capacity. If there is, we don't see it. Maybe it's not my business to know if anyone is caring as lafman said in a previous thread.

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MAT should be head of RCAF fundraising! We need someone with his passion to lead the way.
Hit every business in Acadiana! If you don’t ask you will never know. All they can say is no?