LGT Final: Louisiana 23, Texas State 17

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Originally Posted by CharlieK

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Charlie let's clear up a couple of things really quick:
1) I have supported Mike Desormeaux since he was hired. I was there at the press conference.
2)I defended him from day one and constantly explained to people that Billy Napier plundered this program on the way out and how many support staff and players were taken.
3) I have known Des since he played quarterback in HS and his father as well.
4) When he played here, I asked him to coach the QB's at a football camp I sponsored with Trev Faulk.
5) I have been a member of his QB Club since day one and are among the 35 to 40 people that bother to show up weekly. I have chairbacks and I'm a member of RCAF. So, don't get it twisted that I don't support Mike.

But, let me also say Mike Desormeaux like all coaches has his flaws. When it comes to Des, he is stubborn and prefers to learn lessons that hard way. He has said as much recently beginning his first year with a system playing two QBs, including the Monroe game, and pulling Fields with a two-touchdown lead at halftime. I have spoken to former coaches that coached him under Bustle, coached with him under Napier, former players that played with him and played for him. And some of them have said the same thing about Mike.

Now, I have a few more examples but since this discussion has caused such a ____ storm, I will end my post this way. I'm extremely happy we are winning again, and Coach Desormeaux is proving a number of people wrong this season on how to build his program. This isn't personnel, it's my opinion based upon what I see and what I have learned. Let's not act like Bob Marlin fans that refuse to have such discussions. I'm not listening to that crap; we can just kick that bs to the curb. I'm going to express my opinions because I backup my words with actions of support.

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Originally Posted by Jacob81

The perfect play call won’t work if a block is missed or a bad pass is thrown or good pass is dropped(twice by the same receiver Tuesday)

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How about running the ball on 3rd and 10 when down 6 to 0. Washington gets stuffed vs breaking one to the house and Dez would be an idiot in the view of some folks. We have run the ball with success on third and long frequently this year. Hopefully that helps the passing game in remaining contests.

Like I said, the reason I didn't trust Napier's "best interest" recommendation (at the time) is because of his simultaneous player poaching project.

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Originally Posted by CajunT

Charlie let's clear up a couple of things really quick:
1) I have supported Mike Desormeaux since he was hired. I was there at the press conference.
2)I defended him from day one and constantly explained to people that Billy Napier plundered this program on the way out and how many support staff and players were taken.
3) I have known Des since he played quarterback in HS and his father as well.
4) When he played here, I asked him to coach the QB's at a football camp I sponsored with Trev Faulk.
5) I have been a member of his QB Club since day one and are among the 35 to 40 people that bother to show up weekly. I have chairbacks and I'm a member of RCAF. So, don't get it twisted that I don't support Mike.

But, let me also say Mike Desormeaux like all coaches has his flaws. When it comes to Des, he is stubborn and prefers to learn lessons that hard way. He has said as much recently beginning his first year with a system playing two QBs, including the Monroe game, and pulling Fields with a two-touchdown lead at halftime. I have spoken to former coaches that coached him under Bustle, coached with him under Napier, former players that played with him and played for him. And some of them have said the same thing about Mike.

Now, I have a few more examples but since this discussion has caused such a ____ storm, I will end my post this way. I'm extremely happy we are winning again, and Coach Desormeaux is proving a number of people wrong this season on how to build his program. This isn't personnel, it's my opinion based upon what I see and what I have learned. Let's not act like Bob Marlin fans that refuse to have such discussions. I'm not listening to that crap; we can just kick that bs to the curb. I'm going to express my opinions because I backup my words with actions of support.

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What ____ storm? And I agree with nearly everything you posted there that I can. When did I say you didn’t support Mike? I definitely never said, implied or tried to imply that. Who said you can’t have your opinion?

Some people think getting to have an opinion means never having it questioned.

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Originally Posted by Cajunsmike

How about running the ball on 3rd and 10 when down 6 to 0. Washington gets stuffed vs breaking one to the house and Dez would be an idiot in the view of some folks. We have run the ball with success on third and long frequently this year. Hopefully that helps the passing game in remaining contests.

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Ironically I think Ben checked to that run on that play.

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Originally Posted by Cajunsmike

How about running the ball on 3rd and 10 when down 6 to 0. Washington gets stuffed vs breaking one to the house and Dez would be an idiot in the view of some folks. We have run the ball with success on third and long frequently this year. Hopefully that helps the passing game in remaining contests.

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Because most people who say bad plays are bad play calls are judging solely by the outcome of that play. Never factoring in any other factors such as what the defense did, how the play was executed etc. I’m sure some in here are qualified to determine in real time which were bad calls and which were bad execution or good defense. But I bet the number on this forum is small, and I bet few of them ever say anything.

I’ll say the 4th and 5 play was a bad call or at least bad personnel. You know the out was the first and only read on the play so it’s going to 81. Not to bash the kid but he has more drops than catches this season. Should have had 9,3,15, or 4 there

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Originally Posted by Jacob81

I’ll say the 4th and 5 play was a bad call or at least bad personnel. You know the out was the first and only read on the play so it’s going to 81. Not to bash the kid but he has more drops than catches this season. Should have had 9,3,15, or 4 there

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by CharlieK

What ____ storm? And I agree with nearly everything you posted there that I can. When did I say you didn’t support Mike? I definitely never said, implied or tried to imply that. Who said you can’t have your opinion?

Some people think getting to have an opinion means never having it questioned.

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Sorry if I misread who was upset by my comments. Thanks

Yes, Ben checked to the play where Washington went for the touchdown. Mike said as much after the game.

And, once you've seen the movie, it's much easier to understand the plot. Criticizing play calls is easy once you've seen the call and it doesn't work. Mike knows as much about all of your occupations as you know about his. But, we've second guessed from the beginning of time and we will continue to do so. It's just who we are and there's nothing wrong with that. Just putting it into perspective.

There have been crucial plays where the ball goes to some non starters. I’m assuming with the speed of the game Dez calls plays not necessarily knowing what personnel is on the field. There’s probably been plays he’s called and then looked up and saw LL or Carter not on the field for a play called for them.

Perhaps those other receivers had asked for a blow. Was not Ben’s best throw either

I have a hot sports opinion.

Fact: Our QB Ben 10 is on pace to have statistically the best year in UL history.

Using Hindsite and on field performance we all have seen this year....ZC did our program a Yuge favor. No way....ZERO chance we are winning these close games week after week without Ben 10 as our on field leader. Ben's on field reads in real time on RPO decisioning and his overall passing game is far and away more complete vs ZC. We never needed a run 1st oriented QB to be successful, we needed a leader.

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Originally Posted by Cajunsmike

Perhaps those other receivers had asked for a blow. Was not Ben’s best throw either

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There’s been a couple times in the season I’ve had to double take at who dropped a ball on 3rd or 4th down. Tulane game comes to mind. I saw 33 drop a slant route and was like “is that a linebacker??” Had to pull up my roster.

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Originally Posted by Jacob81

Ironically I think Ben checked to that run on that play.

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He did, the safety walked down in the box.

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Originally Posted by Jacob81

The perfect play call won’t work if a block is missed or a bad pass is thrown or good pass is dropped(twice by the same receiver Tuesday)

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This is a great point. I’m sure part of it is just rose colored glasses from being 7-1, but to me, Des has our guys in a position to succeed at a much higher rate than in his first 2 seasons. On a lot of the drives that stall out or only result in 3, you can point to key mistakes. The drop on 4th and 5, Ben missing his check down in Zylan wide open and throwing a ball to a tight window in the end zone, careless penalties, etc. Admittedly on some drives and even some plays it’s a combination of lack of execution and bad (IMO) playcalling. One example from Tuesday was the 50/50 ball we tried to throw on 1st and 10 from the 18. That’s a low percentage, all or nothing play that puts you in 2nd and long if unsuccessful. Didn’t like the call and to make it worse we had a miscommunication on the route. Then shoot ourselves in the foot with back to back penalties. Thankfully, we have Kenny.

I would imagine some of the criticism with the playcalling from Tuesday has to do with how conservative we were and constantly trying to establish the run. While it was frustrating to watch, I think the strategy largely accomplished what it seemed intended to do, stop Texas State from pinning their ears back and getting free hits on Ben all night long. I believe we were only sacked once, and keeping Texas State honest and having to account for the run had something to do with that, especially after they got burned on the 3rd and 10 run (quintessential veteran play by Ben). It was not pretty to watch, and there is plenty of room for improvement. I still think the improvement we have made in all areas (including Des’ playcalling) is easily apparent.

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Originally Posted by zeppelincajun

This is a great point. I’m sure part of it is just rose colored glasses from being 7-1, but to me, Des has our guys in a position to succeed at a much higher rate than in his first 2 seasons. On a lot of the drives that stall out or only result in 3, you can point to key mistakes. The drop on 4th and 5, Ben missing his check down in Zylan wide open and throwing a ball to a tight window in the end zone, careless penalties, etc. Admittedly on some drives and even some plays it’s a combination of lack of execution and bad (IMO) playcalling. One example from Tuesday was the 50/50 ball we tried to throw on 1st and 10 from the 18. That’s a low percentage, all or nothing play that puts you in 2nd and long if unsuccessful. Didn’t like the call and to make it worse we had a miscommunication on the route. Then shoot ourselves in the foot with back to back penalties. Thankfully, we have Kenny.

I would imagine some of the criticism with the playcalling from Tuesday has to do with how conservative we were and constantly trying to establish the run. While it was frustrating to watch, I think the strategy largely accomplished what it seemed intended to do, stop Texas State from pinning their ears back and getting free hits on Ben all night long. I believe we were only sacked once, and keeping Texas State honest and having to account for the run had something to do with that, especially after they got burned on the 3rd and 10 run (quintessential veteran play by Ben). It was not pretty to watch, and there is plenty of room for improvement. I still think the improvement we have made in all areas (including Des’ playcalling) is easily apparent.

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Originally Posted by zeppelincajun

This is a great point. I’m sure part of it is just rose colored glasses from being 7-1, but to me, Des has our guys in a position to succeed at a much higher rate than in his first 2 seasons. On a lot of the drives that stall out or only result in 3, you can point to key mistakes. The drop on 4th and 5, Ben missing his check down in Zylan wide open and throwing a ball to a tight window in the end zone, careless penalties, etc. Admittedly on some drives and even some plays it’s a combination of lack of execution and bad (IMO) playcalling. One example from Tuesday was the 50/50 ball we tried to throw on 1st and 10 from the 18. That’s a low percentage, all or nothing play that puts you in 2nd and long if unsuccessful. Didn’t like the call and to make it worse we had a miscommunication on the route. Then shoot ourselves in the foot with back to back penalties. Thankfully, we have Kenny.

I would imagine some of the criticism with the playcalling from Tuesday has to do with how conservative we were and constantly trying to establish the run. While it was frustrating to watch, I think the strategy largely accomplished what it seemed intended to do, stop Texas State from pinning their ears back and getting free hits on Ben all night long. I believe we were only sacked once, and keeping Texas State honest and having to account for the run had something to do with that, especially after they got burned on the 3rd and 10 run (quintessential veteran play by Ben). It was not pretty to watch, and there is plenty of room for improvement. I still think the improvement we have made in all areas (including Des’ playcalling) is easily apparent.

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1 sack and it was on a naked boot where the end isn’t blocked by design. He just got to Ben before Ben could turn and throw.

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Originally Posted by Jacob81

1 sack and it was on a naked boot where the end isn’t blocked by design. He just got to Ben before Ben could turn and throw.

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Yes, they run it quite often. But do you run it inside the 15 yard-line after losing yardage on first down, and against one of the league's top DL in sacks? Why not chip him with the back? While they run it often, any defensive edge player that pays attention in the film room has keys to look for. So, the timing is questionable for me in that possession.

The sack was on 2nd down coming out of halftime. Tuesday

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Originally Posted by CharlieK

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Originally Posted by Jacob81

Ironically I think Ben checked to that run on that play.

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He did check out of the play. Once he saw the safety move up in the box the mismatch was to the right side of the line and Washington made a guy miss and it was off to the races.

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Originally Posted by zeppelincajun

This is a great point. I’m sure part of it is just rose colored glasses from being 7-1, but to me, Des has our guys in a position to succeed at a much higher rate than in his first 2 seasons. On a lot of the drives that stall out or only result in 3, you can point to key mistakes. The drop on 4th and 5, Ben missing his check down in Zylan wide open and throwing a ball to a tight window in the end zone, careless penalties, etc. Admittedly on some drives and even some plays it’s a combination of lack of execution and bad (IMO) playcalling. One example from Tuesday was the 50/50 ball we tried to throw on 1st and 10 from the 18. That’s a low percentage, all or nothing play that puts you in 2nd and long if unsuccessful. Didn’t like the call and to make it worse we had a miscommunication on the route. Then shoot ourselves in the foot with back to back penalties. Thankfully, we have Kenny.

I would imagine some of the criticism with the playcalling from Tuesday has to do with how conservative we were and constantly trying to establish the run. While it was frustrating to watch, I think the strategy largely accomplished what it seemed intended to do, stop Texas State from pinning their ears back and getting free hits on Ben all night long. I believe we were only sacked once, and keeping Texas State honest and having to account for the run had something to do with that, especially after they got burned on the 3rd and 10 run (quintessential veteran play by Ben). It was not pretty to watch, and there is plenty of room for improvement. I still think the improvement we have made in all areas (including Des’ playcalling) is easily apparent.

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It was the actual run plays that were called which was the problem. We consistently get stuffed when we try to run the ball wide on the zone stretch.

We consistently maul people when we run out of the pistol between the tackles.

The passing game with the exception of a few plays was pretty good.

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Originally Posted by Jacob81

The sack was on 2nd down coming out of halftime. Tuesday

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Yes, the first possession after half, Davis ran for 3 yrds and they then ran the naked boot not blocking Joshua Parker, one of the top sack leaders in the SBC this season. I'm certain he would say we ran it a few times before in the first half and had success. But situational play calling and personal is my question. You have to know where that guy is lined up.