Saints: Jimmy Graham

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Originally Posted by cajun_lannister

This is Seattle's last ride .. Wilson is going to wanting his big contract next year. Lynch just got 12 million a year, sherman is 12 million, Jimmy is 12 million & even Earl Thomas is going to have a 10 million cap hit in 2016. Its salry cap hell and they don't have loodoo

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Nope still 20 million under...

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Originally Posted by Cajunjeb

But that wasn't what you stated. You stated:

As much as I love Drew Brees and think he's a great quarterback, I attribute more of the Saints success to the system than I do to Brees.

You are not talking about the coach in this statement. You are talking about Drew being a system quarterback, which I disagree with.

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WOWWWW Who creates systems??? A good coach… SMH

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Originally Posted by duggie85

No.

What I'm saying is your comparing Drew Bree's to Matt Cassell. Think about that. Brees threw for 3500+ yards in a single season in San Diego. Matt Cassell has not thrown for 3500 yards since he left N.E.

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San Diego was a passing team at the time. Phillip Rivers has thrown for over 4,000 yards in basically the same offensive SYSTEM Brees was in. Imagine what he could do in the system in New Orleans.

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Originally Posted by campo118

Why did Brees all of a sudden become an All-Pro QB 6 years into his career? Magic? A robotic arm implant after his injury? Sean Peyton?

Hypothetical situation for you... Who would you rather keep around if you had to choose, and you would lose every one else? Drew Brees, the entire O-Line, the entire defense or Sean Peyton? If the answer is anything other than Sean Peyton, you need to stop watching football, and go put on replays of Curling from the winter olympics… Brees is a very accurate QB who has the tools to succeed in Peyton's offense… but so do many other QBs. Without Peyton, Brees never sniffs the HOF muchless gets considered for it.

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Well to be fair to Brees... His OC in San diego was Cam Cameron

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Originally Posted by crazycajun

Well to be fair to Brees... His OC in San diego was Cam Cameron

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Anthony Jennings...agrees.

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Originally Posted by cajunhawk

So a dynamic offense is not a system? Is a Labrador not a dog?

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Yes, as a generic definition, just as a defense would be a system.

But his comment was about the Saints success as a product of the "system", not Brees.

I define system quarterbacks as those who you can "plug and play" into the offense and the offense runs. A quarterback is perceived to be successful but not extraordinarily talented. I would define extraordinarily as elite, like Brees, Manning and Brady. Those QB's that can win the game on their arm or their leadership.

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Originally Posted by cajunhawk

San Diego was a passing team at the time. Phillip Rivers has thrown for over 4,000 yards in basically the same offensive SYSTEM Brees was in. Imagine what he could do in the system in New Orleans.

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Rivers also doesn't have one of the est running backs ever behind him while there.

, payton and Brees were a perfect fit...they don't accomplish what they have without each other, getting brees on the cheap off of injury allowed them to build a team to win a championship. Payton's system fits Brees strengths.

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Originally Posted by Cajunjeb

Yes, as a generic definition, just as a defense would be a system.

But his comment was about the Saints success as a product of the "system", not Brees.

I define system quarterbacks as those who you can "plug and play" into the offense and the offense runs. A quarterback is perceived to be successful but not extraordinarily talented. I would define extraordinarily as elite, like Brees, Manning and Brady. Those QB's that can win the game on their arm or their leadership.

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You forgot Wilson and Rogers...they have both won games with their arms and leadership. More than Brees did last year anyway.

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Originally Posted by campo118

WOWWWW Who creates systems??? A good coach… SMH

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I agree. He created an offense for Drew Brees to run and they have had success. This offense cannot run without Brees. He goes down, the offense collapses.