CBS Bowl Projection

[CharlieK]

You aren't going to win, Charlie. You are dead nuts on, but you cannot win when people don't know what they're talking about. Detroit is an extremely dangerous city and the wars we've recently participated in are not as dangerous (mortality-wise)... period. The numbers don't lie. But, you can't win the emotional argument with those that don't like the implication. You can talk to a young man that left Detroit and joined the Army, knowing he's heading to Iraq for combat duty, and he'll clearly tell you that he was safer in Iraq. After seeing his brother, uncle and cousin shot to death in Detroit, he'll validate in no uncertain terms that reality.

It isn't even just Detroit. For the same age group, you are safer in Iraq and/or Afghanistan in the military than ALL American males in the U.S. Interestedly, there was a scare of suicides in the military deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. It is actually lower than the nation's average for the same age group. You simply cannot explain this to people that emotionally don't except the facts. I, like you, believe that the data does not explain that people in the military are, in general, mentally and emotionally more stable than their peers of the same age group.

If I (actually me, not the hypothetical me) were to go to detroit, I would not be taking part in the activities that contribute to the higher than average "danger" in that city. However, if I were to join the army, and be shipped to Iraq I would almost certainly be taking part in the types of activities that can make you a casualty in a warzone. For me, an average joe, Iraq as a soldier would definitely be more dangerous than Detroit.

[CharlieK]

I'd still go to the Iraq Bowl. Bowl trips rule.

[Ragingayle]

Um guys I was reading the thread, and I get the whole Iraq vs Detroit debate, but what I'm not understanding is that yall don't want to go to Detriot due to it being too dangerous, yet we would love to go to New Orleans which not sure about currently but I know for several years was the Murder Capital of the World (or US). Kinda funny.

[Hammer58]

Um guys I was reading the thread, and I get the whole Iraq vs Detroit debate, but what I'm not understanding is that yall don't want to go to Detriot due to it being too dangerous, yet we would love to go to New Orleans which not sure about currently but I know for several years was the Murder Capital of the World (or US). Kinda funny.

Detroits crime problem is just the rancid icing on the moldy cake. The reality is Detroit is not a destination city in optimal weather and it certainly isn't enhanced by frigid temperatures and 6' of snow during Bowl season. Tack on the distance from us and it is one of, if not the most unattractive Bowls for us.

[Ragingayle]

No I understand the distance part dont get me wrong and I also understand the attractions part, NOLA has it both, but I was just commenting on the crime part, thought that was a funny argument.

[Just1More]

If I (actually me, not the hypothetical me) were to go to detroit, I would not be taking part in the activities that contribute to the higher than average "danger" in that city. However, if I were to join the army, and be shipped to Iraq I would almost certainly be taking part in the types of activities that can make you a casualty in a warzone. For me, an average joe, Iraq as a soldier would definitely be more dangerous than Detroit.

That's true. But for every person that joined the military during the war, one in eight were in actual combat duty. For every one in harm's way, there are seven in a support role that does not ever see live fire. I don't think anyone is arguing that the two individuals in the greatest danger is the Marine flushing out an insurgent hideout... and a drug mule in Detroit operating on the border of another dealer's turf. Who is doing what in both locations makes a difference in both statistics.

But, there are also correlations to business people traveling to Iraq and their safety, as compared to business people traveling to Detroit and their safety. It is also fairly comparable.

[Just1More]

Um guys I was reading the thread, and I get the whole Iraq vs Detroit debate, but what I'm not understanding is that yall don't want to go to Detriot due to it being too dangerous, yet we would love to go to New Orleans which not sure about currently but I know for several years was the Murder Capital of the World (or US). Kinda funny.

You are right. Most cities where there's a large ghetto area are riddled with crime. To a great extent. if your travels don't put you in the middle of those areas, you are infinitely safer.

I'm less inclined to want to go to Detroit because of the travel distance and the cold weather than the safety factor.

[CharlieK]

That's true. But for every person that joined the military during the war, one in eight were in actual combat duty. For every one in harm's way, there are seven in a support role that does not ever see live fire. I don't think anyone is arguing that the two individuals in the greatest danger is the Marine flushing out an insurgent hideout... and a drug mule in Detroit operating on the border of another dealer's turf. Who is doing what in both locations makes a difference in both statistics.

But, there are also correlations to business people traveling to Iraq and their safety, as compared to business people traveling to Detroit and their safety. It is also fairly comparable.

My head hurts.

I will NOT go to a bowl game in Nigeria.

Please don't tell me New Orleans is more dangerous than Nigeria, it will ruin my day.

[DieHard1280]

They should start a bowl game in Korea. I'll be there next year anyway, and would definitely go. Plus, our players would probably get a bunch of cheap stuff!!

[Just1More]

They should start a bowl game in Korea. I'll be there next year anyway, and would definitely go. Plus, our players would probably get a bunch of cheap stuff!!

South Korea... yes. North Korea... no.