Damar Hamlin

[R1Letterman]

Has America stopped watching boxing, MMA fights? Both more likely to cause sudden death, and CTE syndrome than football. Why is football uniquely held to a higher standard?

maybe because boxing/mma dont compete under the guise of spending millions on head protection. also some might say because the boxer gets bulk of the purse whereas in football the white owner makes the profits by putting the minority players at risk?

[BabbForHeisman]

you need to breakdown the overall rate by 18-30 age group and factor in athletes vaxxed at 99% which is way higher than their age cohort

The vaccine study shows the 12-39 age group from 0.0016-0.0057%.

The covid study that showed 2% for college athletes was done in late 2020, so no need to normalize for vaccination.

To be clear, I'm not saying the vaccine doesn't play a role, however minor, in this situation. But the data shows that covid itself is rough 1000x more likely to cause an issue. Just trying to keep things in perspective so this discussion doesn't get all "ClOt ShOt", that's all.

[CajunEXPRESS]

maybe because boxing/mma dont compete under the guise of spending millions on head protection. also some might say because the boxer gets bulk of the purse whereas in football the white owner makes the profits by putting the minority players at risk?

Boxers in general don’t get the bulk of the revenue. Promoters and overhead get the vast majority of the revenue. Don’t know about MMA.

Just about every boxer with a reasonably long career becomes punch drunk now called CTE.

I would suspect any sport in which one of the primary goals is to create a concussion aka knockout is causing CTE syndrome.

[CrazyCajun]

The vaccine study shows the 12-39 age group from 0.0016-0.0057%.

The covid study that showed 2% for college athletes was done in late 2020, so no need to normalize for vaccination.

To be clear, I'm not saying the vaccine doesn't play a role, however minor, in this situation. But the data shows that covid itself is rough 1000x more likely to cause an issue. Just trying to keep things in perspective so this discussion doesn't get all "ClOt ShOt", that's all.

Where do the people who caught covid and are vaccinated fall

[R1Letterman]

The vaccine study shows the 12-39 age group from 0.0016-0.0057%.

The covid study that showed 2% for college athletes was done in late 2020, so no need to normalize for vaccination.

To be clear, I'm not saying the vaccine doesn't play a role, however minor, in this situation. But the data shows that covid itself is rough 1000x more likely to cause an issue. Just trying to keep things in perspective so this discussion doesn't get all "ClOt ShOt", that's all.

2% with covid but no vaxx, not sure what that data pertains too…

also back to the overall age bracket who gets checked for myocarditis for no reason? and 12 seems too low to start the comparison if you are comparing that to college athletes.

[BabbForHeisman]

Where do the people who caught covid and are vaccinated fall

I'm not a doctor, but my understanding is that myocarditis is a temporary condition that would occur after covid (2-4%), covid vaccine (0.002%), or other infection. Then it typically resolves itself. So there's no data for "if you do this, then later you do this" scenarios. Maybe if you've had it before, you're more likely to have it again, i don't know.

[R1Letterman]

thanks. but you keep using 2-4% without updating for vaxxed results.

also 2-4% also leaves a 100% error possibility

[BabbForHeisman]

2% with covid but no vaxx, not sure what that data pertains too…

also back to the overall age bracket who gets checked for myocarditis for no reason? and 12 seems too low to start the comparison if you are comparing that to college athletes.

As with any study, I'm sure there are holes you can poke in it. That's a good critical way to look at it. But in the end, if the raw numbers show you are 1000x more likely to get myocarditis from covid than from the vaccine, what does that number change to if you start looking at only specific scenarios? 500x? 250x? 100x?

Point is, it would take a monster change to really change the conclusion from this info.

We've talked about this before. All the choices have risks. Getting vaccinated has a risk (very very low). Getting covid has a risk. Taking any number of medications to treat covid and/or pneumonia has a risk. This is all up to your own risk tolerance and what you think is the right thing.

[R1Letterman]

As with any study, I'm sure there are holes you can poke in it. That's a good critical way to look at it. But in the end, if the raw numbers show you are 1000x more likely to get myocarditis from covid than from the vaccine, what does that number change to if you start looking at only specific scenarios? 500x? 250x? 100x?

Point is, it would take a monster change to really change the conclusion from this info.

We've talked about this before. All the choices have risks. Getting vaccinated has a risk (very very low). Getting covid has a risk. Taking any number of medications to treat covid and/or pneumonia has a risk. This is all up to your own risk tolerance and what you think is the right thing.

not if the denominator of the vaxxed # includes people that are vaxxed but not checked for myocarditis

[BabbForHeisman]

thanks. but you keep using 2-4% without updating for vaxxed results.

also 2-4% also leaves a 100% error possibility

Actually, the orders of magnitude we are dealing with here far outweigh the difference between 2% and 4%. So you can talk all day about 2% or 4%, but in the end, its all still way way way way higher than 0.002%.