ESPN reporting:

[CrazyCajun]

So you think that a Big 10 school with its campus basically being its own town, multiple national championships, a 100,000 seat stadium, and the tradition of Penn State is just gonna go away because 5-6 people tried to "protect the brand"? As horrible as that whole situation is, they are cleaning house there, and I'd be willing to bet that nobody ever even mentions any of it within the next couple of years, as sad as that may seem.

exactly, in a couple of years, whatever coach takes the job right now will hear plenty, not only are you going to a place that makes most poeple want to puke but you are replacing a legend in those peoples eyes. nothing will be good enough. Who ever does take the jobs starts recruiting now, you try walking into 16 and 17 year old kids living rooms with their parents and navigating around that subject. So yeah I think a coach who is currently in the SEC would be an absolute moron to go to penn state. Penn State WAS a better job than MSU, i beg to differ as of right now.

[Policarp]

Penn State will be in the news negatively for years. Still have trials, law suits against the school with huge multi-million dollar settlement payouts yet to come. NCAA investigation (for what this is worth at a BCS school) will happen for major institutional control issues. These usually have the biggest penalties. Mullen is in the top 20 paid coaches already. The financial incentive would have to be massive to voluntarily go to this mess at this stage.

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[sportsfanatic21]

You bring up a good point. Success in CFB is highly fragile. This is why "strike while the iron is hot" is so crucial for coaches. The true goal here is to get set for life: 4 years of $1.7MM would do that.

Look at Stockstill and Larry Blakeney. If they lose next year, all of a sudden the seat is hot. Last year they were rock stars!

Thats so true. What if next year, we suffer the rash of injuries we had in 2010, have a couple of breaks not go our way, and end up 5-7 (or God forbid, worse)? Im sure Hud wouldnt be the "golden boy" that it seems he may be right now. I dont know about any of you, but passing up life-changing money for anybody (especially younger guys with families and young children) isnt something that would be easy to do. I think your "strike while the iron is hot" is very telling.

It comes down to what I used to say to my LSU fan friends who were ____ed when Saban left there. If you remove your "fandom" emotions, and put yourself in that guy's place, what would you do? And almost every one of them (again, especially the ones with young families) changed their tunes.

[sportsfanatic21]

exactly, in a couple of years, whatever coach takes the job right now will hear plenty, not only are you going to a place that makes most poeple want to puke but you are replacing a legend in those peoples eyes. nothing will be good enough. Who ever does take the jobs starts recruiting now, you try walking into 16 and 17 year old kids living rooms with their parents and navigating around that subject. So yeah I think a coach who is currently in the SEC would be an absolute moron to go to penn state. Penn State WAS a better job than MSU, i beg to differ as of right now.

All of the people associated with that tragedy will no longer have anything to do with the university. At least thats my understanding. If so, I dont think that talking to a recruits family would be that difficult. Maybe Im wrong.

[moorecajun]

I agree with you. But maybe he really liked working with Mullen, and his "winning program" is all of one year. And a year that has seen him finish 3rd in the Sun Belt, and lose 3 of his last 5 games. Granted, he took a 3-9 team to 8-4, but lets be honest, last second wins against FAU and ULM kept it from being 6-6. There are quite a few instances of "mid-major" successes that have become HCs at BCS programs, but there are also a bunch of OCs and DCs that have gotten major jobs as well. I dont know the breakdowns, but Brady Hoke to Michigan and Urban Meyer come to mind in group one, and guys like Jimbo Fisher, Will Muschamp, and even Dan Mullen come to mind in group 2. Who knows what will happen, but I'd much rather lose Hud to a BCS HC position that to another mid-major, and even moreso to an assistant's job somewhere. But, whatever is gonna happen is gonna happen.

I totally agree with you on our record this year ... taking advantage of that and parlaying (sp) that into a nice fat SEC job is way too good to be true for Hud. But that is why those guys are supposed to do their due dilegence. Break down the winning this year, the difference is we used to lose those close games. You take those two (FIU and ULM) and we are 6-6.

If coach Bustle had the players in the same shape last year as they were this year; I don't think we are having any of these conversations because we don't have a new coach.

[sportsfanatic21]

I totally agree with you on our record this year ... taking advantage of that and parlaying (sp) that into a nice fat SEC job is way too good to be true for Hud. But that is why those guys are supposed to do their due dilegence. Break down the winning this year, the difference is we used to lose those close games. You take those two (FIU and ULM) and we are 6-6.

If coach Bustle had the players in the same shape last year as they were this year; I don't think we are having any of these conversations because we don't have a new coach.

Good point.

[CrazyCajun]

All of the people associated with that tragedy will no longer have anything to do with the university. At least thats my understanding. If so, I dont think that talking to a recruits family would be that difficult. Maybe Im wrong.

urban meyer wasnt even coaching when all the crap went down at ohio state but he sure spent half the press conference talking about it. Kids getting raped in the showers will not just go away, sorry dont think so

[RaginWaldo]

I don't think it hurts us any at all. Let's face it. There are coaches in bowl games & coaches getting fired. In several cases there are coaches in bowl games getting fired. Either your coach is getting fired, on the hot seat, or rumored to be leaving for another job somewhere else. Is there anything in between anymore? I mean let's face it. With the exception of very few coaches any more, that's the way it is.

What point are you trying to make after saying "Let's face it." I just see you talking in circles after that on obvious generalization.

The fact is It would devastate our chances of attaining the current recruits and even some of the current players. to think it wouldn't have a negative affect is just trying to play ignorant to the fact that it would.

Unless they follow up with someone who has just as much of a GO GET attitude as Hud. but again I Give Hudspeth more credit as a human being. I think he will build a dynasty here because he sees the true potential and won't just jump at any chance because he knows eventually he will build this program exactly to something better without having to leave again. His name will Last much longer for Building a program that traditionally loses into one that becomes an eventual traditionally winning program rather than the guy that brought this team to a bowl game once just to be a stepping stone.

[sportsfanatic21]

urban meyer wasnt even coaching when all the crap went down at ohio state but he sure spent half the press conference talking about it. Kids getting raped in the showers will not just go away, sorry dont think so

I hope youre right. And I sincerely mean that.

[axg8750]

Why is Johnboy not commenting on any of this? Doesn't he have close ties to miss st? I may be wrong

[CajunT]

One of the articles said we also need to be worried about Hud going with Mullen to Penn State to be a co-ordinator. As much as losing him to another mid-major would suck, losing him to a job as an assistant would really be tough to take.

That is not going to happen. He wouldn't go anywhere with Mullen. Take that to the bank.

[CrazyCajun]

i think people have a deep misunderstanding of hud and mullen's relationship.