...The Beamer Model. After 6 Years: Bustle has 26 wins Beamer had 24

[Turbine]

Not to jump in right in the middle but I think you are comparing apples to oranges since Frank Beamer's Hokies do play in a BCS conference. And the level of competition they've played against is a slight bit tougher.

True, but the reference is to their respective 1st five years.

VT didn't become a member of the Big East until Beamers 5th year at the helm. They were independent for the 26 years prior. In their first year with the Big East they won 5, in the 2nd they won 2, in the 3rd year of the conference they won 9

[Just1More]

Not to jump in right in the middle but I think you are comparing apples to oranges since Frank Beamer's Hokies do play in a BCS conference. And the level of competition they've played against is a slight bit tougher.

Kracka, don't you think that Frank had more to work with at VaTech, and being in that conference was just as much a benefit as a challenge to succeed? I think it is comparing small apples to larger ones, but some parallels do exist.

Back when UsL beat aTm, a buddy of mine, always wanting to set the record straight, told me that we would get killed in the SEC. The point he failed to comprehend is that if UL were in the SEC, our program would grow thru the affiliation. Even those right now that don't get a bowl bid, get 9 (count em... 9) bowl money splits (Florida is a little different, I think). That additional revenue alone would make UL leap into the middle of the pack. Tulane even starred in the conference at one time. Tough, but highly regarded, conferences have way more of a benefit to the member than they can ever correctly complain about the competitiveness.

[Turbine]

After 6 years Beamer fired 3 assistants
After 5 years Bustle fired 4 assistants

[NewsCopy]

At the University of Virginia, three members of Al Groh's staff left after the 2005 season to become head coaches. The last assistant to leave Frank Beamer's staff at Virginia Tech for a head job was Rickey Bustle after the 2001 season. Bustle, who spent 14 years as a Tech assistant, including eight as offensive coordinator, recently completed his fifth season at the University of University of Louisiana. Under Bustle, 53, the Ragin' Cajuns are 23-35. They were expected to contend for the Sun Belt Conference title this season but finished a disappointing 6-6, and Bustle this week fired four of his assistants, including his offensive and defensive coordinators. "I wasn't trying to make a statement with this decision, nor was I trying to make anyone the scapegoat," Bustle told the Daily Advertiser of Lafayette. "But if there is a statement to be made, it's that we're trying to improve and that going 6-6 is not good enough." In 1992, Beamer's sixth season as Tech's coach, his team finished 2-8-1. After the season, at then-Athletic Director Dave Braine's urging, Beamer fired three assistants. The Hokies haven't had a losing season since. The rest of the story Richmond Times-Dispatch

[shof]

Interesting find, in a Richmond VA paper no less.

[Sonsissymia]

please tell us something about the great oil bowl team, or bustle being ahead of beamer, or the program heading in the right direction, or running the sun belt table and going to the n.o. bowl. we need it.

[TheRaginCajun06]

_ please tell us something about the great oil bowl team, or bustle being ahead of beamer, or the program heading in the right direction, or running the sun belt table and going to the n.o. bowl. we need it. _

That made me laugh.

[Turbine]

_ please tell us something about the great oil bowl team, or bustle being ahead of beamer, or the program heading in the right direction, or running the sun belt table and going to the n.o. bowl. we need it. _

OK here you go but you won't like it.

If Bustle wins 2 games this year he will still be ahead of Beamer in wins through their respective 1st six years.

Frank Beamer won only 2 games in his 6th year at Tech.

In this 7th year he won 9 games and has never looked back. The year was 1993

The ironic thing about 1993 is that it was a huge turn around year for UL as well. Jake started as a freshman, UL won 8 games and well, all we do is look back.

The good news is Bustle has been following the Beamer model to a "T" so if it holds course then next year is the year UL turns the corner and never looks back.

After his slow start at Virginia Tech, I'm not going into how Beamer and Co. ended up in the national championhip game. I can't project the UL model that far into the future.

Ps That's that.

[Turbine]

Rickey Bustle is 12-15 over his last three years and while not great by any means it also not a comparative disaster. He easily deserves another year to pull off the transition.

I thought it would be interesting to see the record of the last 3 years of some former UL coaches. Their record over the final 3 years before they were let go or decided to move on.

W-L-T
6-27       Baldwin
8-25       Stokley
14-19     Sam Robertson
13-19     Augie Tammariello
10-20-1   Russ Faulkinberry
11-17     Jim "Red" Hoggatt
14-14     Raymond Didier
18-8-1   George "Gus" Mitchell
11-10-2   Louis Whitman
15-10-3   Johnny L. Cain
9-19       T.F. Wilbanks
8-19-1     T.R. Mobley

Johnny L. Cain came back later for a 1 year stint, but that year and other coaches who didn't make it 3 straight years were not included in the list.