2011 Mississippi River Spring Floods

[Bandwagon King]

I'll take your non-response as a no.

I spend most of my working life straightening up engineering snafus. I think it's great that some universities have wonderful engineering programs, but I've met, worked for, & gone behind & straightened out a miriad of screw ups made by guys who had ehough sheepskins to cover a wall form some of th emost prestigious schools in America. Now, to straighten everyone up, I didn't post anything else on this thread. One of the moderators took it upon themselves to do it. However, with all the smart ellic commentary, I still see no one who made such great efforts to belittle my thoughts & predictions with enough nut hair to come forward & say they were right, but at the same time they can't come forward & say I was wrong in my prognosis, because this record proves my prognoisis correct. Now I'm done with this.

[CharlieK]

I spend most of my working life straightening up engineering snafus. I think it's great that some universities have wonderful engineering programs, but I've met, worked for, & gone behind & straightened out a miriad of screw ups made by guys who had ehough sheepskins to cover a wall form some of th emost prestigious schools in America. Now, to straighten everyone up, I didn't post anything else on this thread. One of the moderators took it upon themselves to do it. However, with all the smart ellic commentary, I still see no one who made such great efforts to belittle my thoughts & predictions with enough nut hair to come forward & say they were right, but at the same time they can't come forward & say I was wrong in my prognosis, because this record proves my prognoisis correct. Now I'm done with this.

Your predictions on the stage levels were primarily correct (not really what the disputes were about). The reasons it all happened was where you were cosistantly wrong, and this is what everyone was pointing out. Your statements about the control structure were patently wrong, and this was another aspect you were challenged on.

If you had simply said I think the river will do such and such based on the stage levels and your gut instinct, you would have been fine. Everybody is entitled to an OPINION. But I guess some insecurity forced you to have to pretend you knew it all.....and when you were PROVEN wrong you kept harping that your river stage guesses were right so the rest of what you said must be right. I mean as recently as yesterday you stated during the flood the Corps let the river change course. I mean that statement is so ludicrous that it hurts my brain. Once the river changes course, there ain't no brining it back. The corps increased the amount siphoned off the Mississippi and shunted to the Atchafalya, but in no way shape or form did they allow it to change course. Again, if you had just stuck to the fact your stage guesses were right, you would have come out smelling like a rose.

As I said, you missed the point then and you continue to miss it.

No run along and go fix some idiot engineers snafu. We all know if they would just ask you first everything would be perfect.

[LsuULfan]

Question for any of you Corps guys or anyone else-Have noticed when getting near the end of the I-10 Basin Bridge westbound that there appears to be some dredging being done north of I-10-like near the old railroad or the power lines. Anyone know what's going on?

[Bandwagon King]

Your predictions on the stage levels were primarily correct (not really what the disputes were about). The reasons it all happened was where you were cosistantly wrong, and this is what everyone was pointing out. Your statements about the control structure were patently wrong, and this was another aspect you were challenged on.

If you had simply said I think the river will do such and such based on the stage levels and your gut instinct, you would have been fine. Everybody is entitled to an OPINION. But I guess some insecurity forced you to have to pretend you knew it all.....and when you were PROVEN wrong you kept harping that your river stage guesses were right so the rest of what you said must be right. I mean as recently as yesterday you stated during the flood the Corps let the river change course. I mean that statement is so ludicrous that it hurts my brain. Once the river changes course, there ain't no brining it back. The corps increased the amount siphoned off the Mississippi and shunted to the Atchafalya, but in no way shape or form did they allow it to change course. Again, if you had just stuck to the fact your stage guesses were right, you would have come out smelling like a rose.

As I said, you missed the point then and you continue to miss it.

No run along and go fix some idiot engineers snafu. We all know if they would just ask you first everything would be perfect.

Charlie I don't know who you are or what your qualications are supposed to be, but don't go opining about something you certainly don't know a damn bit more about than I. I didn't intend to post again on the subject & hate to have to call you out, but your ignorance is showing for anyone who wishes to check the facts. The fact that the "blessed flow rates", which were at the heart of every bit of the debate which occured for weeks, were allowed to go higher in the lower Atchafalaya & the Wax Lake outlet, than they were in the lower Mississippi, is self evident that the river was in effect allowed, or rather forced to change its course at the highest flow rate the lower river system has ever flowed at. This is exactly what occured. I'm sorry that no world wide recognized scientist pointed this out to you & therefore you can't grasp it for yourself, but that is exactly what happened.

So for you or any other person to NOW claim something can or will happen that has already been proven false by history, is ludicrous & shows you don't know your ___ from a hole in the ground unless someone else is spoon feeding you your info. That's ok though. One of the research scientists on the river project will print it up in a study book in two or three years & then you can accept that as fact, Even though it has already been established as fact & you're a little slow to realize it.

Edit: Furthermore, if you understood what was made to occur, & what the outcome was, then you would understand why the Corps made so many warnings which in hindsight, now look like governmental balogna used to oversell & take advantage of everyone's fears. It just so happens that the Corps severely underestimated the Wax Outlet's & Atchafalaya's ability to dump water as fast as it was able too. If you had spent nearly as much time studying these things intead of belittling me you wouldn't have just stuck you foot in your mouth. Now figure another way to try to humiliate me or challenge the findings until they are proven by "recognized experts".

[CajunRed]

Question for any of you Corps guys or anyone else-Have noticed when getting near the end of the I-10 Basin Bridge westbound that there appears to be some dredging being done north of I-10-like near the old railroad or the power lines. Anyone know what's going on?

I am fairly certain that is simply due to silt buildup...and an effort to deepen that canal for barges.

[CajunRed]

Charlie I don't know who you are or what your qualications are supposed to be, but don't go opining about something you certainly don't know a damn bit more about than I. I didn't intend to post again on the subject & hate to have to call you out, but your ignorance is showing for anyone who wishes to check the facts. The fact that the "blessed flow rates", which were at the heart of every bit of the debate which occured for weeks, were allowed to go higher in the lower Atchafalaya & the Wax Lake outlet, than they were in the lower Mississippi, is self evident that the river was in effect allowed, or rather forced to change its course at the highest flow rate the lower river system has ever flowed at. This is exactly what occured. I'm sorry that no world wide recognized scientist pointed this out to you & therefore you can't grasp it for yourself, but that is exactly what happened.

So for you or any other person to NOW claim something can or will happen that has already been proven false by history, is ludicrous & shows you don't know your ___ from a hole in the ground unless someone else is spoon feeding you your info. That's ok though. One of the research scientists on the river project will print it up in a study book in two or three years & then you can accept that as fact, Even though it has already been established as fact & you're a little slow to realize it.

GOD FORBID...it is happening again! :-(

[CharlieK]

Charlie I don't know who you are or what your qualications are supposed to be, but don't go opining about something you certainly don't know a damn bit more about than I. I didn't intend to post again on the subject & hate to have to call you out, but your ignorance is showing for anyone who wishes to check the facts. The fact that the "blessed flow rates", which were at the heart of every bit of the debate which occured for weeks, were allowed to go higher in the lower Atchafalaya & the Wax Lake outlet, than they were in the lower Mississippi, is self evident that the river was in effect allowed, or rather forced to change its course at the highest flow rate the lower river system has ever flowed at. This is exactly what occured. I'm sorry that no world wide recognized scientist pointed this out to you & therefore you can't grasp it for yourself, but that is exactly what happened.

So for you or any other person to NOW claim something can or will happen that has already been proven false by history, is ludicrous & shows you don't know your ___ from a hole in the ground unless someone else is spoon feeding you your info. That's ok though. One of the research scientists on the river project will print it up in a study book in two or three years & then you can accept that as fact, Even though it has already been established as fact & you're a little slow to realize it.

Edit: Furthermore, if you understood what was made to occur, & what the outcome was, then you would understand why the Corps made so many warnings which in hindsight, now look like governmental balogna used to oversell & take advantage of everyone's fears. It just so happens that the Corps severely underestimated the Wax Outlet's & Atchafalaya's ability to dump water as fast as it was able too. If you had spent nearly as much time studying these things intead of belittling me you wouldn't have just stuck you foot in your mouth. Now figure another way to try to humiliate me or challenge the findings until they are proven by "recognized experts".

No matter how much you type, the river did not change course. You are wrong. More of the Mississippi was allowed to escape down the atchafalaya channel then normal, but the river was not allowed to change course. King the volume and quantity of your words do not make them correct.

[Bandwagon King]

No matter how much you type, the river did not change course. You are wrong. More of the Mississippi was allowed to escape down the atchafalaya channel then normal, but the river was not allowed to change course. King the volume and quantity of your words do not make them correct.

That's the point Enistein. It didn't change it's course even though it was allowed by channeling to overtake the Mississippi by flow rate. Technically if the Atchafalaya was flowing mor than the Mississippi it did change it's course TECHNICALLY. If you understood what you are arguing nearly as much as you have made fun of me over, you would realize this & shut up & leave it alone while you are just a little foolish looking. Helmut would back me up on this if he had any balls because he knows what I'm saying is correct. But he won't because he's more worried about his little title than the better good of the discovery & understanding of truth by the majority. That is the mentality which refers me back to the reasons for failure in the other post.

[CharlieK]

That's the point Enistein. It didn't change it's course even though it was allowed by channeling to overtake the Mississippi by flow rate. Technically if the Atchafalaya was flowing mor than the Mississippi it did change it's course TECHNICALLY. If you understood what you are arguing nearly as much as you have made fun of me over, you would realize this & shut up & leave it alone while you are just a little foolish looking. Helmut would back me up on this if he had any balls because he knows what I'm saying is correct. But he won't because he's more worried about his little title than the better good of the discovery & understanding of truth by the majority. That is the mentality which refers me back to the reasons for failure in the other post.

Jeez, King, YOU said it changed course, no me. It did not, not technically, hypothetically, kinda, or otherwise. Even with the all the flood gates open, in "Project Flood" the combined Atchafalaya and Wax lake outlet are the same as the combined Missississippi and Bonnet Carre outlets. And we did not get near project flood, and the Corps did not open all the gates. Even if they had, changing course means changing course. It does not mean whatever YOU decide it means today.

Look, I never intended to "make fun of you", I assumed from your numerous confronational posts, that you could take a little back and forth. If I crossed the line I'm sorry. However you were wrong, are wrong, and calling me foolish and telling me to shut up doesn't change that.

By the way, here is a flow map of "project flood". Remember we were no where near project flood, and the corps never opened all the gates. So I doubt the Atchafalya at any point during that 2011 flood flowed more than the Missisissippi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mi...River_flow.gif

[Cajun Monkee]

Wait. The Mississippi changed course? Are the bridges still standing? I have to go to NOLA in a couple of weeks.

[Bandwagon King]

Jeez, King, YOU said it changed course, no me. It did not, not technically, hypothetically, kinda, or otherwise. Even with the all the flood gates open, in "Project Flood" the combined Atchafalaya and Wax lake outlet are the same as the combined Missississippi and Bonnet Carre outlets. And we did not get near project flood, and the Corps did not open all the gates. Even if they had, changing course means changing course. It does not mean whatever YOU decide it means today.

Look, I never intended to "make fun of you", I assumed from your numerous confronational posts, that you could take a little back and forth. If I crossed the line I'm sorry. However you were wrong, are wrong, and calling me foolish and telling me to shut up doesn't change that.

By the way, here is a flow map of "project flood". Remember we were no where near project flood, and the corps never opened all the gates. So I doubt the Atchafalya at any point during that 2011 flood flowed more than the Missisissippi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mi...River_flow.gif

I'm not TELLING you to SHUT UP, I'm advising you to quit making yourself look bad. Because there was a near doomsday prediction predicated on events which did not not occur. I am explaining why those events did not occur in layman's terms & I am going further in stating that those events can not occur & the history of what happened this past spring proved that. Now you are going to fall back on your knowledge of the workings of "project flood", but you don't seem to realize why "project flood" worked so well. & you better go back & check the flow rate numbers before you dispute what I'm saying.

According to the last numbers I saw, the flow rates were both the highest that had ever passed from Vicksburg & the flow rates were higher between the lower Atchafalaya & Wax Lake Outlets than they were at the Mississippi below the flood gates. This should be considered a tchnical rerouting of the river, because it means more water was running another way. I am telling you now, that's why non of the forecasts that Helmut kept refering to ever came to fruition.

That is also why they closed the gates in 28 days? Instead of keeping them open for the whole summer. I wasn't there, but I would imagine it didn't matter if they left them open or not, because it's kind of hard for water to travel up & over the bottomn part of the gate. It also didn't matter if they opened any more gates or not once the river levels achieved an equilibrium. There wasn't going to be any more or less flow than the routes were allowing to come. This is more information which wasn't shared because no one realized that that result would occur. Until then everything was theory. Once the equilibrium was reached & the Atchafalaya began to crest, It was church for the Spring flood. I knew this based upon studying the levels, yet you still want to argue this in spite of the facts.

Furtermore, the reason why they didn't have to open more gates is because the Atchafalaya & Calumet cut were carrying a hell of a lot more water than were previously being figured. Of course, had anyone been paying attention to the river levels they would have figured this out days earlier. That is what I was trying to tell everyone which was an extremely obvious signal of what was going on, which no one seemed to be paying attention to. because everyone on this site was trying so hard to convince me how much I din't know instead of looking at the facts.

According to these results & understanding how close the river was to coming completely overtopping the levees in Arkansas & Tennessee, I can say without a doubt, that as long as this river structure remains in tact in its present condition & is properly maintained, the doomsday scenario of the lower Mississippi River ever coming out of its banks & rerouting itself below or at the river control structures is a physical impossibility, unless there is a flood rivaling the days of Noah & the upper central United States is completely covered in water for thousands & thousands of square miles beyond anything in the recorded history of the United States.

[CharlieK]

Good lord. Never mind. I AM an idiot for continuing this. Remain ignorant if it pleases you.

[Bandwagon King]

Good lord. Never mind. I AM an idiot for continuing this. Remain ignorant if it pleases you.

So that's your best reply? It seems the problem for you is I didn't remain ignorant. I studied pretty damn hard & figured out how to use the charts to predict future events downstream, but because I don't have a Phd. by my name, it isn't impressive enough. I will rest in the knowledge of knowing that those who are in control of this thing also know that what I stated here is true. In time they will eventually publish the lessons learned from this event or prevented event & they will back up what I have stated on this thread. Of that I am certain.

[CajunRed]

Holy Mother of God...my head is breaking!

[CajunDreDog]

Someone please make this thread just die!!! Shoot it, murder it, something...

Die, die, die, die.....