Zappi on Carbon Credits

[CajunRebel]

Sadly what is lost in this and every energy debate is the benefits of using natural gas instead of crude oil. It's cheaper. Crude is at $105 a barrel while nat gas is around $5. It's way way more environmentally friendly. Also we have more of it in the US than we know what to do with. 95% of what we drill in the US is natural gas. But everyone seems to focus on wind and solar pipe dreams which will probably never be viable replacements for petroleum energy.

igeaux.mobi

[CajunEXPRESS]

_ I got news for you. Look at the numbers. You will NEVER DIVORCE ourselves from foreign oil. It will take a long time to get there!! _

If the research that is going on at EMC2, http://www.emc2fusion.org/ comes to bare fruit the world may be off oil, solar, nuclear. This is the most promising and exciting concept in energy. It will come to be or fail within the next six years, and if it succeeds the camel jockeys will be worshiping Allah in tents again instead of a Boing 747.

Of course the good earth people will insist we do not need the any of the by products created with the balance of a barrel of crude. I suspect we will still need tires, plastics, and so many other products, but we are mainly talking power, and transportation here.

[CajunNation]

Sadly what is lost in this and every energy debate is the benefits of using natural gas instead of crude oil. It's cheaper. Crude is at $105 a barrel while nat gas is around $5. It's way way more environmentally friendly. Also we have more of it in the US than we know what to do with. 95% of what we drill in the US is natural gas. But everyone seems to focus on wind and solar pipe dreams which will probably never be viable replacements for petroleum energy.

igeaux.mobi

The future is not an either/or scenario.

The future for America is EVERYTHING. Coal, Gas, Oil, and Nuclear.

[cajunhawk]

_ The future is not an either/or scenario.

The future for America is EVERYTHING. Coal, Gas, Oil, and Nuclear. _

Agreed. The problem is....who will sponsor this endeavor? You cannot count on the big oil companies to do this. You cannot count on the government to do this either. The problem here is too many Market Bulls trying to bumrush the next great oil play for short term money...and not enough T Boone Pickens trying to stay ahead of the curve. I see little to no chance of a common sense approach happening here. Its the equivalent of having a car with no brakes....but the brick wall is 100 miles away. No one is slowing down, instead they are pushing the pedal to the floor. Going forward with a "we will take care of that later" attitude is going to turn the Earth into Mad Max times.

[Ned Clampett]

_ Agreed. The problem is....who will sponsor this endeavor? You cannot count on the big oil companies to do this. You cannot count on the government to do this either. The problem here is too many Market Bulls trying to bumrush the next great oil play for short term money...and not enough T Boone Pickens trying to stay ahead of the curve. I see little to no chance of a common sense approach happening here. Its the equivalent of having a car with no brakes....but the brick wall is 100 miles away. No one is slowing down, instead they are pushing the pedal to the floor. Going forward with a "we will take care of that later" attitude is going to turn the Earth into Mad Max times. _

Hawk, I dont know how old you are. What I mean is: People that sing the praises of Boone Pickens are usually not old enough to remember the "real" Boone Pickens. T Boone Pickens never, and I mean never had an idea or pushed an agenda that wasnt going to make him a TON of money. This wind/nat gas thing (depending on what day you catch him) is just another of his many schemes. He is a corporate raider, nothing more.

[cajunhawk]

_ Hawk, I dont know how old you are. What I mean is: People that sing the praises of Boone Pickens are usually not old enough to remember the "real" Boone Pickens. T Boone Pickens never, and I mean never had an idea or pushed an agenda that wasnt going to make him a TON of money. This wind/nat gas thing (depending on what day you catch him) is just another of his many schemes. He is a corporate raider, nothing more. _

Corporate raider or not the man gets it. There is money to be made in energy that isn't from crude. All it takes is a little paradigm breaking. Outside the box. You don't get to be as rich as he is by failing. It's going to take enough greedy oil men to realize their is money outside of oil. You have to break some eggs to make an omelet.

[Turbine]

I want a wind "Turbine' that turns an oil drilling bit, runs the worlds largest generator and captures the sun on its blades, with each blade reflecting the bounced rays on to the next blade over and over for exponential efficiency while boosting the pressure charged carbon grabbers on the seafloor that are also absorbing excess BP oil, which is used to lubricate the wind drill mill.

While it’s drilling it pumps up water to cool the nuclear plant where the hydrogen is being extracted from the seawater. It functions its best during a hurricane, so instead of oil workers evacuating the Gulf they take shelter and go straight to work at the new Omnibine plant.

Is there a game on tonight?
igeaux.mobi

[Just1More]

As for Dr. Zappi, I too read this the other day and was about to explode over the carbon credit BS. Glad to know he did not say it.

CajunNation is correct... but natural gas is a huge overlooked source of energy in the US. Nuclear plants take a long time to permit, construct and go online, but they too need to be in full throttle. We have a massive amount of coal, and clean coal technology ought to be as high or higher on the list than all of these magical, ridiculous "green energy" notions. I call them "notions" because as long as an "alternative" energy source is anything other than a fossil fuel... the left party thinks it is clean, harmless, non-capitalistic, government-sponsored, union-required and fantastic. It is all BS.

Our national energy policy mandate should be to work, without all of this left party agenda BS blurring the issue, and become as foreign energy independent as possible. It will require the mass use of every current source of energy and all that we can practically and intelligently invest in and realize benefits. It is also an immediate "real" (not the BS you hear a bunch of left party fools talking about in job creation) job creator. We can crank up what we have natural resource-wise, technology-wise, and get back on our feet while dramatically trimming our dependence on foreign oil (and imported gasoline).

The BS notion that our federal government needs to sponsor a fossil fuel battle (and tax our fragile economy with it even greater than they already do) and sponsor the development of an alternative fuel is nonsense. We don't have any "easy alternatives". Left party idiots keep acting like something out of a Star Wars movie is at our disposal, if only the big oil companies wouldn't block it's development. BS There is ample and massive reasons for worldwide private sector groups to invest in and race for this magical alternative fuel source. If you are so stupid that you don't know the massive, massive, massive science that has gone on for the last 40 years in every single battery design, you know nothing. Not to mention the tremendous products that most apparently don't realize are created by the hydrocarbon chain... far beyond gasoline and diesel.

And most importantly... as the US government (that entity that sucks more than anything any group of people can possibly ever get together and claim they accomplished something) diverts our country on these ridiculous unscientifically hypothesized alternative energy options... the rest of the world will ramp up their economies... supported by the use of existing energy sources... and will plow us over when the inevitable chance arrives.

All of the talk you hear today sponsored by the current administration and the wide variety of supporters that have something to personally gain from this administration... directly involving our energy policy... or lack thereof... are FOS. Private people have been in far more effective think tanks on the correct path of US energy policy... with much clearer, intelligent minds... for a very long time. And they have some of the solutions well planned out. It just doesn't align with the current administration's agenda so you aren't hearing about it. Rant off.

[Hammer58]

_ Agreed. The problem is....who will sponsor this endeavor? You cannot count on the big oil companies to do this. You cannot count on the government to do this either. The problem here is too many Market Bulls trying to bumrush the next great oil play for short term money...and not enough T Boone Pickens trying to stay ahead of the curve. I see little to no chance of a common sense approach happening here. Its the equivalent of having a car with no brakes....but the brick wall is 100 miles away. No one is slowing down, instead they are pushing the pedal to the floor. Going forward with a "we will take care of that later" attitude is going to turn the Earth into Mad Max times. _

Shows how little you actually know about "big oil". Every one of of the major oil companies is investing in alternative energy research from biofuels, synthetic fuels, wind, solar, etc. Every one of them wants to be at the forefront of developing and marketing viable alternative energy sources. the key word there is "viable". And so far none of those alternative sources have proved viable or profitable. But rest assured "big oil" (should I have prefaced that with the descriptive "evil"?) will keep at it because its good business sense. Its called capitalism.

[Hammer58]

_ .... Left party idiots keep acting like something out of a Star Wars movie is at our disposal, if only the big oil companies wouldn't block it's development. BS There is ample and massive reasons for worldwide private sector groups to invest in and race for this magical alternative fuel source. If you are so stupid that you don't know the massive, massive, massive science that has gone on for the last 40 years in every single battery design, you know nothing. Not to mention the tremendous products that most apparently don't realize are created by the hydrocarbon chain... far beyond gasoline and diesel. ...

Speaking of batteries, can't you just envision 50 years down the road when the lefties come out screeching to high heaven about the evils of all these spent batteries pollution the goddess earth and rail against the evil corporations that heartlessly manufacture them with no concern for how their product is harming their fellow man?