Football Conference Rankings 2010-2011

[MetryCajun]

Even when presented with facts Teche still stands by his misinformation...gotta love him.

[BayouTeche]

No way to rule out Montana from joining the WAC. It won't be for another 2 years anyway. The WAC has an open invite and will throw alot of money their way. WAC wants Montana more than Seattle. Money talks, people walk. Montana will sit back and address facility issues. TV revenue would jump from 72k to 500k. I believe the offer will be too good for them to pass up. If they decide to pass for some reason, the WAC will do whatever it takes to get the prestige it had.

[CajunFan89]

_ No way to rule out Montana from joining the WAC. It won't be for another 2 years anyway. The WAC has an open invite and will throw alot of money their way. WAC wants Montana more than Seattle. Money talks, people walk. Montana will sit back and address facility issues. TV revenue would jump from 72k to 500k. I believe the offer will be too good for them to pass up. If they decide to pass for some reason, the WAC will do whatever it takes to get the prestige it had. _

1. it's at least a 2 year transition period from the time they accept the invite.

2. the WAC can't throw alot of money their way if they don't have any money to throw. Boise St. didn't make it to a BCS bowl so the money they would have taken in from attending just dipped significantly.

3. Montana would not only have to address facility issues but budgetary issues with adding the extra money for scholarships, travel to the far reaches of the WAC, etc.

4. Explain how their TV revenue would jump a full $428k? do you think that any tv deal the WAC had prior to the announcement of Boise St. leaving it will last past that time frame.

5. The WAC will never have the "prestige" it had with Boise St. once they, fresno St., and Nevada jump to the MWC. it will actually be worse than when the Sunbelt added FCS and start-up teams to keep themselves an actual FBS conference. eventually it will slowly build back up but it will take a good while before it does and will never get to its "former glory" if you can use that term to describe the WAC

[Hammer58]

_ WAC does have a bright spot with the addition of these three schools even before any football games are played.

UT-SA- hired Larry Coker who won a recent national title pretty recently, San Antonio is the largest U.S. city without a Football Bowl Subdivision football program, has over 30,000 students enrolled, they will have the largest media market of any school in the WAC, and the largest stadium in the conference, the Alamodome.

Texas State-has over 32,000 students enrolled, Austin media area, may hire Dennis Franchione or another big name.

Montana- The Grizzlies playoff streak of 17 in a row from 1993-2009 is a record at the I-AA level, now known as the NCAA Division I Championship Subdivision. The WAC will only make them more attractive playing in the FBS. _

ULM won a D1aa NC before making the jump to D1A. WKU the same. Neither has ahd a winning season in D1A yet. Performance at one level does not necessarily translate to success at the next. I wouldn't be so quick to bestow accolades on the WAC based on the theoretical performance of D1aa schools looking to move up.

[Turbine]

ULM won a D1aa NC before making the jump to D1A. WKU the same. Neither has ahd a winning season in D1A yet. Performance at one level does not necessarily translate to success at the next. I wouldn't be so quick to bestow accolades on the WAC based on the theoretical performance of D1aa schools looking to move up.

Words of wisdom.
igeaux.mobi

[CajunRed]

You nailed it.

ULM won a D1aa NC before making the jump to D1A. WKU the same. Neither has ahd a winning season in D1A yet. Performance at one level does not necessarily translate to success at the next. I wouldn't be so quick to bestow accolades on the WAC based on the theoretical performance of D1aa schools looking to move up.

igeaux.mobi

[Policarp]

BT, your use of logic and understanding of basic facts reminds me very much of Nancy Pelosi. If this is what you aspire to, then congrats.......you have succeeded. Your new nickname henceforth is Nancy. In honor of your real life aspiration to debate on par with your hero's abilities.

Nancy, have a nice day.

PP II

[rhineaux]

UT-SA- San Antonio is the largest U.S. city without a Football Bowl Subdivision football program
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Close. Some may say that NYC is bigger.

[RaginDave]

_ Close. Some may say that NYC is bigger. _

My assumption is that he is considering Rutgers as NYC's BCS school. They are less then an hour apart and in NYC terms that is a suburb.

[shof]

_ WAC does have a bright spot with the addition of these three schools even before any football games are played.

UT-SA- hired Larry Coker who won a recent national title pretty recently, San Antonio is the largest U.S. city without a Football Bowl Subdivision football program, has over 30,000 students enrolled, they will have the largest media market of any school in the WAC, and the largest stadium in the conference, the Alamodome.

Texas State-has over 32,000 students enrolled, Austin media area, may hire Dennis Franchione or another big name.

Montana- The Grizzlies playoff streak of 17 in a row from 1993-2009 is a record at the I-AA level, now known as the NCAA Division I Championship Subdivision. The WAC will only make them more attractive playing in the FBS. _

OK, shame on me for not reading the entire thread before commenting here; but I just couldn't wait. For starters, I live in San Antonio; so I certainly have some perspective on what UTSA, and even for that matter Texas State can do for the WAC. And I've been here for the last 16 years. My daughter and son-in-law are both UTSA grads. The head basketball coach is a personal friend of mine. I also met Larry Coker at an alumni function several weeks ago and had a good time visiting with him - - good guy! So with that in mind let me say - - NEITHER of these schools are going to be the WAC's "bright spot"! They have both had enrollment well above UL for a number of years, and are still growing. Both have the ability to use student fees to significantly increase their athletic budget. UTSA will get some initial "woo hoo - we have football" excitement when it starts. I plan on attending too; because my kids and I all like football. I hope it works; but if support of other athletics is any indicator - it will wear off and be just like any other mid-major - - wanting! I watched UTSA play San Jose St recently - "big preview" of playing the WAC in basketball. Maybe, MAYBE, 500 in attendance! This is a UT and aTm town - - period! You think Lafayette is an LSU town - - visit here! As for Texas State; even more of an issue when you realize UT is just 30 miles up the road. They have had football for many, many years; and only get 12K into their stadium. They are making progress and expanding, and hopefully the support will increase; but don't think for a minute they are the WAC's bright spot either. Look, I want them to succeed, and expect that some success will come their way; but the WAC as we know it is dying and will DEFINITELY be below the Belt in a very short time. You can only take so many FCS teams (or teams that have NEVER played a down of football) and expect that to make the conference better. THAT is where the WAC is today.

Get better and in the process make the Belt better! We have way more upside than the WAC right now.

OK, time for my BP meds!

[BayouTeche]

Even with the BCS pay-day, the WAC paid the following amounts to member schools for the 2007-08 fiscal year:
1. Hawaii $4,922,062
2. Boise State $1,672,056
3. Nevada $1,380,377
4. Fresno State $1,308,608
5. San Jose State $971,747
6. Louisiana Tech $855,015
7. Utah State $800,247
8. Idaho $800,247
9. New Mexico St. 432,197 (although they paid $40k x 8 to each school to host the B-ball tourney)

The Western Athletic Conference and ESPN have agreed to a seven-year contract extension that will give the network multi-platform rights through the 2016-17 academic year.

Idaho benfited tremendously from WAC TV revenue. My point being, the new teams joining the WAC will make a whole lot more money and besides the ESPN contract makes it more attractive for the exposure. Bosie ST. benefited big time from this.

[CajunFan89]

_ Even with the BCS pay-day, the WAC paid the following amounts to member schools for the 2007-08 fiscal year:
1. Hawaii $4,922,062
2. Boise State $1,672,056
3. Nevada $1,380,377
4. Fresno State $1,308,608
5. San Jose State $971,747
6. Louisiana Tech $855,015
7. Utah State $800,247
8. Idaho $800,247
9. New Mexico St. 432,197 (although they paid $40k x 8 to each school to host the B-ball tourney)

The Western Athletic Conference and ESPN have agreed to a seven-year contract extension that will give the network multi-platform rights through the 2016-17 academic year.

Idaho benfited tremendously from WAC TV revenue. My point being, the new teams joining the WAC will make a whole lot more money and besides the ESPN contract makes it more attractive for the exposure. Bosie ST. benefited big time from this. _

that was in a WAC with Boise St. Nevada, and Fresno St. do you honestly think that ESPN will still be hanging around on the shell of a conference that is the WAC in 2 years or would they much rather move that money somewhere else.