Timeline for New Hire and Who's your candidate?

[Cowboy Up]

Sorry I'm not very familiar with the differences between FCS and FBS in terms of kids they can and cannot recruit. So does the FCS teams have any advantages in recruiting or am I thinking of something else.

FCS has no advantages in recruiting when going up against the FBS schools. I suppose individual universities have there own policies as to selective admission. McNeese has gone to selective admissions and have actually seen the programs improve. Most kids want to go to FBS so the FCS becomes a hard sell.

For the bigger schools like LSU, they just pick up the tab and enroll the prospect into a JUCO or Hargrave Military Academy "to get qualified". That's what they did to Kieland Williams. I think Ole Miss sued the NCAA under the Americans with Disabilites Act to finally get Gerald Powe into the university and he can't read!

Where McNeese fell short was in the APR (Academic Progress Rate) which was inherired from the previous coaching regime. I think if the NCAA was strictly enforcing the APR during Baldwin's tenure it was going to be ugly. Thank God those days are gone.

At the end of the day most universities without the financial clout "grey-shirt" a recruit until they qualify. They come on their own dime and see if the they can succeed academically. It seems to work better for the school and the athlete.

[Hammer58]

_ "We have to both adhere to the same academic standards and rules as implemented by the NCAA."
So this quote by cowboy is false? _

No, if you read my post I stated that CajunT explained that the difference was in the admissions standards of the schools. These kids could not get qualify at the D1A programs that were recruiting them but could get in at other in-state schools such as mcneese, Nicholls, SLU, etc. In effect they were grey-shirting at those schools.

I searched the net for Foote's series of articles detailing this trend in the area but was not able to locate anything on it. It was at least two or three years ago when he wrote them. Unfortunately the Advertiser does not archive stories on the web.

[RedBug58]

FCS has no advantages in recruiting when going up against the FBS schools. I suppose individual universities have there own policies as to selective admission. McNeese has gone to selective admissions and have actually seen the programs improve. Most kids want to go to FBS so the FCS becomes a hard sell.




When the heck did McNeese go to selective admissions???

A couple years ago a UL college recruiter came to STM and was addressing a group of Seniors and their parents on what grade point average and ACT score was required to get into UL. One of the parents asked what could be done if the student didn't have the required grade point average or the ACT score. The recruiter said that they would help them get into McNeese or Nichols.

(By the way, I looked it up. At McNeese it is required that the ACT is taken, but no minimum score is required.) Unless that changed since 2008

[Hammer58]

_ FCS has no advantages in recruiting when going up against the FBS schools. I suppose individual universities have there own policies as to selective admission. McNeese has gone to selective admissions and have actually seen the programs improve. Most kids want to go to FBS so the FCS becomes a hard sell.




When the heck did McNeese go to selective admissions???

A couple years ago a UL college recruiter came to STM and was addressing a group of Seniors and their parents on what grade point average and ACT score was required to get into UL. One of the parents asked what could be done if the student didn't have the required grade point average or the ACT score. The recruiter said that they would help them get into McNeese or Nichols.

(By the way, I looked it up. At McNeese it is required that the ACT is taken, but no minimum score is required.) Unless that changed since 2008 _

Here is what the mcneese website shows as requirements for first time freshman:

First-Time Freshman Admission Requirements
Graduates of Louisiana High Schools-First-time freshmen who are graduates of Louisiana high schools must meet the following admission criteria:

Completion of the Regents’/TOPS High School Core Curriculum (listed below);
Need no more than one developmental course; and
ONE of the following:
Cumulative high school grade point average (GPA) of 2.0 on a 4.0 scale as reported by the Department of Education; or
ACT composite score of 20 (SAT score of 940); or
High school rank in the top 50% of the graduating class.

I guess you could consider that selective admissions. But all you need is a 2.0 which is all the athlete needed to be eligible in high school. Most of them have that but usually fall short in their ACT scores which prevents them from going to the D1A schools the would prefer.

To gain admission to UL you have to have varying combinations of GPA and ACT scores. The higher the GPA the lower the ACT score can be. In general the common combination is 2.5 GPA and 19 ACT.

[BabbForHeisman]

Remember when this thread was about coaches and not ACT scores?

Let's get Ditka.

igeaux.mobi

[raginsaints]

Mark Hudspeth would be a slamdunk from the 3 point line.

[Damon]

I vote for Ron Prince.

[Oiler]

_ Remember when this thread was about coaches and not ACT scores?

Let's get Ditka.

igeaux.mobi _

Wade Phillips may be available soon.

[Hammer58]

_ Remember when this thread was about coaches and not ACT scores?


igeaux.mobi _

Yea, that was before the Brokeback crowd felt compelled to chime and and take a verbal dump in our living room because God forbid someone disagreed with the idea of their coach as a candidate. Amazingly they, like the usual tanktop suspects, lurk here looking for any perceived slight to them in our discussions. I won't be surprised if they feel compelled to jump back in.

Now, back to the coaching candidate discussion, if we do go with a coordinator I think I'd like to look for an up and coming defensive coordinator with HC experience at either DII or D1aa level. We have been down the road of offensive coordinators and its been a mixed bag. I think I'd like to see a tough defensive minded guy. I believe there is truth to the old adage that defense wins championships.

[HoustonCajun]

_ FCS has no advantages in recruiting when going up against the FBS schools. I suppose individual universities have there own policies as to selective admission. McNeese has gone to selective admissions and have actually seen the programs improve. Most kids want to go to FBS so the FCS becomes a hard sell.

For the bigger schools like LSU, they just pick up the tab and enroll the prospect into a JUCO or Hargrave Military Academy "to get qualified". That's what they did to Kieland Williams. I think Ole Miss sued the NCAA under the Americans with Disabilites Act to finally get Gerald Powe into the university and he can't read!

Where McNeese fell short was in the APR (Academic Progress Rate) which was inherired from the previous coaching regime. I think if the NCAA was strictly enforcing the APR during Baldwin's tenure it was going to be ugly. Thank God those days are gone.

At the end of the day most universities without the financial clout "grey-shirt" a recruit until they qualify. They come on their own dime and see if the they can succeed academically. It seems to work better for the school and the athlete. _

Isn't another major difference that an FCS school can take an FBS transfer who is eligible immediately, while and FBS school must have that transfer sit out a year. You can get some pretty good football players eligible immediately, which can make an FCS school very competitive and likely accounts for many of the upsets of FBS schools recently.