Tell me if I am wrong!

[BabbForHeisman]

_ I agree, everyone's a winner and everyone is frustrated with the program. _

I know everyone is frustrated. I am frustrated. But the point of this thread is that you did something that was out of line at the game today. You thought you were justified, but you got some crap thrown back at you by fans, parents, and players alike. So then you came on this message board so that people would tell you were justified. But you weren't. And I suppose you actually probably knew that all along.

[RaginWaldo]

_ Why you want to ruin Grant's reputauion like that?

All players should be ready to run through walls for their coach.

If the mentality is it's just a game they will barely run through the tunnel.
igeaux.mobi _

Honestly thats not "ruining" Grant's reputation
Grant ruins his own reputation... I have seen with my own eyes something that I wont come here and call this idiot out, but he is not what everyone perceives him to be. IMO, McCoy should be the Linebacker headlining as All sunbelt, Captain of defense etc. etc., atleast he has heart and shows it on the field.

[cjr3888]

_ The people bashing Fleming are ridiculous. He should not have said anything but questioning whether that guy wants to win is just stupid.

That being said, I really don't understand why yelling at players is such a sensitive issue. I don't make it a habit of yelling at any particular players, but I really don't have a problem with the people that do. The players ae big boys. They can handle themselves. _

I agree on Fleming, he lays it all out whether he's playing or not. It just show's the attitude of the coaches when he says its just a game. That's why it was extra frustrating to hear him say it. It all starts at the top.

[BabbForHeisman]

_ The people bashing Fleming are ridiculous. He should not have said anything but questioning whether that guy wants to win is just stupid.

That being said, I really don't understand why yelling at players is such a sensitive issue. I don't make it a habit of yelling at any particular players, but I really don't have a problem with the people that do. The players ae big boys. They can handle themselves. _

Its not the yelling at players that a problem. Its the "I'm paying for your education" slant that is a problem.

[cjr3888]

_ I know everyone is frustrated. I am frustrated. But the point of this thread is that you did something that was out of line at the game today. You thought you were justified, but you got some crap thrown back at you by fans, parents, and players alike. So then you came on this message board so that people would tell you were justified. But you weren't. And I suppose you actually probably knew that all along. _

No, I don't think I was out of line. This thread was just pure frustration with the entire program. I am tired of players being treated like kids because they are "student-athletes"! They are adults just like the rest of us, and they can handle fans yelling at them when they screw up and get embarrased.

[ragin91cajun]

_ Careful with how you say that. This doesn't exactly line up to a typical business model, because the players aren't employees. If one of your employees isn't meeting expectations, you fire them. But if a player isn't meeting expectations, do you pull a scholarship? No.

So as in investor in the athletic department, you have every right to be frustrated. But do you have a right to yell that at a student athlete during the game? No. And that has nothing to do with "treating these players like pee wee players." _

Why does everyone keep talking about the "right" voice one's opinion? First you had no "right" to complain if you didn't contribute to RCAF. Now investing in the athletic doesn't give you the "right" to yell. You're right. It doesn't. The first amendment gives people that right, no matter how absurd or irrelevant their opinion may be. Like I said earlier, I don't yell at the players directly either, but I really don't care all that much that it does happen.

[BabbForHeisman]

_ Why does everyone keep talking about the "right" voice one's opinion? First you had no "right" to complain if you didn't contribute to RCAF. Now investing in the athletic doesn't give you the "right" to yell. You're right. It doesn't. The first amendment gives people that right, no matter how absurd or irrelevant their opinion may be. Like I said earlier, I don't yell at the players directly either, but I really don't care all that much that it does happen. _

You're "right", my use of the word "right" was probably incorrect. Obviously, everyone has the right to do whatever they want.

And I seriously don't have a problem with yelling at the players. Its the "I'm paying your scholarship so you shouldn't be sucking" angle I'm trying to avoid here.

[ragin91cajun]

_ You're "right", my use of the word "right" was probably incorrect. Obviously, everyone has the right to do whatever they want.

And I seriously don't have a problem with yelling at the players. Its the "I'm paying your scholarship so you shouldn't be sucking" angle I'm trying to avoid here. _

I'll admit I have never felt the need to yell, "I'm paying for your tuition. Catch the damn ball."

[RaginWaldo]

_ I'll admit I have never felt the need to yell, "I'm paying for your tuition. Catch the damn ball." _

lol

[CajunT]

_ The people bashing Fleming are ridiculous. He should not have said anything but questioning whether that guy wants to win is just stupid.

That being said, I really don't understand why yelling at players is such a sensitive issue. I don't make it a habit of yelling at any particular players, but I really don't have a problem with the people that do. The players ae big boys. They can handle themselves. _

There is not much else I can say other then some people have a WWF mentality and its low class behavior. These are armateurs , there is no excuse to scream at athletes. If you don't understand that, then we have different standards of support and behavior.

[cjr3888]

_ There is not much else I can say other then some people have a WWF mentality and its low class behavior. These are armateurs , there is no excuse to scream at athletes. If you don't understand that, then we have different standards of support and behavior. _

Yes, we have different standards T. I'm sure everyone is happy that when we are down by 30+, we have starters on the sideline smiling and chatting like they are happy with their performance.

[CajunT]

_ Yes, we have different standards T. I'm sure everyone is happy that when we are down by 30+, we have starters on the sideline smiling and chatting like they are happy with their performance. _

The ends does'nt justify the means, you are better then that! Think about it tonight and the example you set for your kid today. I know you care and you want to win.