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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiredof theBS View Post
    I know that Cyprien had some issues with his resume, but we should have docked him a certain percentage of his pay and made him attain the degrees which he listed on his resume.

    In reality I'd bet that 90% of people who support our team don't really care what degrees our basketball coach has as long as he can produce a winner without cheating!
    gotta be one of the best post on here in a while. You think we should have let Cyprien get a pass on misrepresenting (okay lying) about the fact that he did not have a degree. That is unbelievable in it's own right since we are talking about an institution who's premise for existence is an education that is earned.

    You then go on and say it's okay as long as he can produce a winner without cheating?? So what do you call that little problem he had with the degree?

    I knew kids who got kicked out of the University for cheating on one homework assignment but somehow were suppose to give him a pass!

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    Default Re: The Jerry Baldwin Saga

    Point well made and well taken, but did we handle it correctly by putting in a coach who was, and still isn't, qualified to be a division one head coach?

    Cyprien does have an undergraduate degree, he just does not have advanced degrees as they were implied on his resume. Why is it important that our basketball coach have an advanced degree?

    One more point after agreeing with your post. Should we have allowed Lee to Coach for ONE YEAR as interim coach and then hired a more qualified coach. Lee could have remained with our program as an assistant after a new coach was hired.

    Question, does Lee have an advanced degree?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiredof theBS View Post
    _ Point well made and well taken, but did we handle it correctly by putting in a coach who was, and still isn't, qualified to be a division one head coach?

    Cyprien does have an undergraduate degree, he just does not have advanced degrees as they were implied on his resume. Why is it important that our basketball coach have an advanced degree?

    One more point after agreeing with your post. Should we have allowed Lee to Coach for ONE YEAR as interim coach and then hired a more qualified coach. Lee could have remained with our program as an assistant after a new coach was hired.

    Question, does Lee have an advanced degree? _
    Cyprien 'did not' have an accredited undergraduate degree "at the time" of his hire. After the fiasco he went on to aquire one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    _ Cyprien 'did not' have an accredited undergraduate degree "at the time" of his hire. After the fiasco he went on to aquire one. _

    You are correct. I guess I didn't remember the entire story. Here it is for those that may need a reminder (as I did) for how it all came down when we hired Cyprien.

    Quote Originally Posted by newscopy
    Cyprien attended Southern University (1985-87), lettering for two seasons in basketball, before transferring to Texas-San Antonio (1987-90). He received his bachelor’s degree from UTSA and earned his master’s degree from LaCrosse University in May 2002.

    Quote Originally Posted by newscopy
    “The University of Louisiana Lafayette is a nice place,’’ Pierre said in the release. “My wife (Clemmie) and I enjoyed our interview. We have decided it is best to stay at LSU. I think that we have something happening here very special the next couple of years.’’

    “I don’t ever hire an assistant coach unless I think someday he will be able to head up a Division I program,” OSU coach Eddie Sutton said on Tuesday.

    “I told Cyp when he got here that I expected him to work hard, and I let him coach. I think it’s an injustice if you don’t do that. He came to us with so many recommendations, and he’s been a real joy for us.

    “We hate to see him go, but I know he’ll do a tremendous job there at Louisiana Lafayette.”

    “Cyp is one of the best young coaches around,” said North Florida coach Matt Kilcullen, who had Cyprien on his staffs at both Jacksonville and Western Kentucky in the 1990s.

    “He has a great enthusiasm for the game, he’s a terrific recruiter and he’s a great teacher of young people. He helps them to reach their potential both on and off the court.”
    Quote Originally Posted by newscopy
    The Lacrosse degrees may not have any bearing on Cyprien's status. ULL Athletic Director Nelson Schexnayder said Thursday that a bachelor's degree from an accredited school is needed to hold the head coaching job.

    "That's a university requirement," he said.

    When reached Tuesday by The Times-Picayune and asked about the discrepancy over his UTSA career, Cyprien, 37, said he graduated.

    "I have the transcripts to prove it," he said. He said he was not concerned about the matter


    ULL officials said they were looking into Cyprien's background but would not discuss it further until meeting with the coach. Schexnayder said Cyprien's education was not discussed during his job interview, but he said he was certain a bachelor's degree from UTSA was listed on Cyprien's résumé. The athletic director said he did not look into the Lacrosse degrees because Cyprien appeared to have a degree from UTSA.
    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    I thought this was an interesting tidbit as far as checking into the background of highly experienced hires
    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    HERE IS HIS COACHING EXPERIENCE:
  5. 2000-2004: Oklahoma State, assistant coach
  6. 1998-2000 Associate Head Coach UNLV
  7. 1995-98 Assistant Coach, UNLV
  8. 1994-95: Assistant Coach, Western Kentucky
  9. 1991-94: Associate Head Coach, Jacksonville University
  10. 1990-91: Assistant Coach, Lamar University
  11. 1987-90: Assistant Coach, Texas-San Antonio (men's eam)
  12. 1988-89: Assistant Coach, Texas-San Antonio (women's team)
  13. 1987: Head Coach, Louisiana AAU Junior Olympics
  14. 1985-86: Head Coach, Holy Ghost Elementary (New Orleans)

  15. Quote Originally Posted by newscopy
    Press conference 11 AM. Terminated effective immediately. His only degrees are from an unaccredited school and did not graduate from Texas San Antonio. The university got a call a few days ago questioning his UTSA degree.

    Schexnayder blames himself for making a poor assumption. He relied on a UTSA degree and not the others. He was provided a resume saying he graduated from UTSA. Cyprien told Schexnayder a corrected resume had been made and he never saw it. The resume he received and relied upon was given to him by Oklahoma State. Had Schexnayder gotten the corrected resume to begin with, he would have not considered Cyprien as a candidate because his lack of an accredited degree disqualified him. He was very close to a UTSA degree, and a degree was erroneously included on the resume Schexnayder received.

    Schexnayder said he is working out the details for making Robert Lee the head coach. It will be a permanent and not an interim appointment. Coach Lee will have the say so on who is on the staff, but has been told to take into account that two assistants hired left other jobs to come here.

    Quote Originally Posted by newscopy
    Long-time assistant to take over
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    LAFAYETTE, La. -- Glynn Cyprien, the newly hired basketball coach at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette, was fired Friday after the school discovered he did not have a degree from an accredited university that he listed on his resume.
    "It was a surprise," said athletic director Nelson Schexnayder. "We got an anonymous call earlier in the week saying there may be questions about coach Cyprien's resume."
    The original resume sent by Cyprien indicated that Cyprien had a bachelors degree from Texas-San Antonio.
    "We were told that another resume was later sent that did not list that degree," Schexnayder said. "But we have no record of that and we relied on the first resume when we hired him."
    The dismissal recalled the case of George O'Leary. In 2001, he was Notre Dame's football coach for less than a week before he was fired for lying on his resume. Earlier this year, O'Leary was hired as coach at Central Florida.
    Schexnayder said he talked to Cyprien on Wednesday and Thursday. Cyprien stressed that he had two degrees, a bachelor's and master's from Lacrosse University, an online school based in Bay St. Louis, Miss., that is not recognized by the major accreditation agencies. Schexnayder said Cyprien attended Texas-San Antonio but did not earn a diploma there.
    "It's a real big shock to me," said guard Alphonso Williams. "He seemed like a real nice guy. I thought he was going to be good for our team."
    The firing took place after The Times-Picayune of New Orleans reported Friday that Cyprien did not earn a degree from UTSA after attending from 1987 to 1990.
    "All non-classified employees must have a bachelor's degree to work at the university," Schexnayder said. "That means trainers, coaches, everyone."
    Before his hiring, Cyprien had spent the last four seasons at Oklahoma State under head coach Eddie Sutton. He helped guide the Cowboys to the NCAA Final Four this past season.
    Before that, he was associate head coach at UNLV, where he was a member of Bill Bayno's original UNLV staff in 1995. While at UNLV, Cyprien helped recruit Tyrone Nesby, Keon Clark and Shawn Marion, who went on to play in the NBA.
    Cyprien served as an assistant at Texas-San Antonio, Lamar, Jacksonville and Western Kentucky before landing at UNLV.
    "He had been at a number of universities and in the system so long I assumed his resume was correct,'' Schexnayder said. "It's bad to assume anything these days. We will now check all of our non-classified employee's credentials."
    Robert Lee, an assistant coach for the past nine years, and a finalist for the head coach position before Cyprien was hired, was tentatively named as Cyprien's replacement, pending a check of his credentials. Lee is expected to be offered the full-time position sometime next week.
    "I was shocked," Lee said. "This was pretty much the last thing I thought of."
    Cyprien had not started putting in the offense and defense he wanted to run, Lee said.
    "I don't think this will set our team back," Lee said. "I'm pretty much going to stay with the system he set up for the guys to work out. I'm going to be very, very demanding of them and keep the discipline Coach Cyprien had."
    Lee has been an assistant at UL since the 1996 season. He served under Marty Fletcher and Jessie Evans, who just left to take over as head coach at the University of San Francisco.
    Cyprien did not answer his telephone when called for comment.

    Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press
    Quote Originally Posted by newscopy
    Over the years Cyprien's Bio cited degree

    LOUISIANA La. — UL was not the only university that believed Glynn Cyprien’s claim of a bachelor’s degree from Texas-San Antonio.

    The Ragin’ Cajun basketball coach was terminated by the university Friday after it was discovered that Cyprien did not possess a degree from an accredited four-year university. His resume’ and the official university biography from his May hiring claimed a bachelor’s degree from Texas-San Antonio.

    An employee of the UTSA registrar’s office said Friday that Cyprien attended the Texas university from 1987 to 1990 but did not earn a degree.

    “We were told that another resume’ was later sent that did not list that degree,” said UL Lafayette athletic director Nelson Schexnayder. “But we have no record of that and we relied on the first resume’ when we hired him.”

    Biographies obtained from the other five universities where the New Orleans native had served on basketball staffs also listed a degree from UTSA in his educational background.

    Cyprien, hired by UL Lafayette in May, had previously coached for four years at Oklahoma State and prior to that had served on the staffs at Nevada-Las Vegas, Western Kentucky, Jacksonville and Lamar.

    OSU’s official biography prior to the 2003-04 basketball season listed a bachelor’s degree in education from UTSA in 1990 and a master’s degree in physical education from LaCrosse University in 2002. LaCrosse is a on-line program based out of Bay St. Louis, Miss., that is not accredited by the state and other major accreditation agencies.

    “This is highly unfortunate for Glynn and his family,” said long-time Oklahoma State head coach Eddie Sutton. “In the four years he coached here, Glynn did an exemplary job, both as a coach as well as a mentor who encouraged our players to obtain their degrees.”

    Former UL Lafayette athletic director Terry Don Phillips was the athletic director at OSU when Cyprien was hired.

    “When Nelson called me yesterday (Thursday), I was totally shocked, absolutely flabbergasted,” Phillips said. “Glynn is someone who I always held in very high regard, and I enjoyed being around him. We accepted what he said.”

    His hiring there preceded the nationwide flap over George O’Leary’s resignation as head football coach at Notre Dame, after he admitted he lied about his academic and athletic background on his resume’.

    Cyprien joined the UNLV staff in 1995 and coached there for five years, the last of those seasons as associate head coach. His biography page from that year’s media guide stated that he graduated from UTSA in 1990 and also played collegiately there, but UTSA’s basketball records have no listing of him as a player there.

    He was at Jacksonville for two seasons in 1992-94 and at Western Kentucky for one season in 1991-92, both of those schools members of the Sun Belt Conference and UL Lafayette opponents at the time. At both places, he was an assistant coach under Matt Kilcullen.

    Both of those schools’ media guides list him as receiving a bachelor’s degree from UTSA in 1989, one year earlier than the biographies at both UNLV and Oklahoma State.

    Efforts to reach Kilcullen Friday were unsuccessful, but Kilcullen — now head coach at the University of North Florida in Jacksonville — gave a glowing recommendation when Cyprien was hired in early May.

    “He is one of the best young coaches around,” Kilcullen said in a phone interview. “Recruiting was his main thing when he worked for me, but he also established himself as someone who could help young people reach their potential. He was someone who was a great liaison between the players and myself.”

    Cyprien was on the Lamar staff for one year in 1990-91, and the first paragraph of his media guide biography there stated that he joined the Cardinal staff in June of 1990 after earning his bachelor’s degree in health and physical education from UTSA in May.

    But then-Lamar head coach Mike Newell said Friday that information wasn’t accurate.

    “He was with me for a year at Lamar as a student assistant,” Newell said. “He was doing work to finish his degree at UTSA. To my knowledge, he was doing course work from UTSA at the time.

    “I had just taken the Lamar job and (former UTSA head coach) Ken Burmeister had just been relieved, and he called me and said he had a young man who needed to finish his degree and was looking for a job. I don’t know if we called it part-time or not then, but he was basically a student assistant.”

    Newell said that Cyprien didn’t start at Lamar until late in the summer because he was finishing up course work, and left in March to take the Jacksonville job.

    “It totally shocks me,” Newell said when informed of Cyprien’s termination. “I had known him before, and I had kept up with him pretty well and talked to him on occasion. It hurts me to hear that.”

    The Texas-San Antonio press guide from the 1988-89 season listed Cyprien as a part-time assistant coach, stating he was in his second season in that role and said that while completing his undergraduate studies he would assist in recruiting, scouting, film study, player academics and on-court practice sessions.
    Quote Originally Posted by newscopy
    “We got some calls indicating Cyprien did not have the degrees he claimed to have,” Schexnayder said. “We began looking into it, and found that he does have degrees, but not degrees that are acceptable to the University.”

    Cyprien’s resume claimed a bachelor’s degree in physical education from the University of Texas-San Antonio after attending Southern University and, from 1987-90, UTSA.

    The National Student Clearinghouse has verified that Cyprien did not earn a UTSA degree.

    Cyprien attained a bachelor’s degree in 2000 in educational counseling and a master’s degree, cum laude, in physical education in 2002 from LaCrosse University, an online school based in Bay St. Louis, Miss.

    The Louisiana State Board of Regents voted unanimously in 2002 not to renew LaCrosse’s license in the state, prior to its move to Mississippi.

    “I relied upon information from his prior positions,” Schexnayder said of Cyprien, who previously coached at Nevada-Las Vegas, Western Kentucky, Jacksonville and Lamar before Oklahoma State and got glowing recommendations from former UL and OSU athletic director Terry Don Phillips, among others.

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    igeaux.mobi
    It is universal that you do not allow someone who does not have a degree a position at. University. You definitely do not allow anyone to lie on their resume. Whether Robert was the right hire or not is debatable. However, Cyp he had a BA from a school and that was a lie. You don't forget graduating. The problem the admin made was not doing enough research into his degrees. But he forced the schools hand, there was no other way


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    Wow nice recap.


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    Default Re: The Jerry Baldwin Saga

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiredof theBS View Post
    _ Point well made and well taken, but did we handle it correctly by putting in a coach who was, and still isn't, qualified to be a division one head coach?

    Cyprien does have an undergraduate degree, he just does not have advanced degrees as they were implied on his resume. Why is it important that our basketball coach have an advanced degree?

    One more point after agreeing with your post. Should we have allowed Lee to Coach for ONE YEAR as interim coach and then hired a more qualified coach. Lee could have remained with our program as an assistant after a new coach was hired.

    Question, does Lee have an advanced degree? _
    Do you understand the concept of lying and misrepresentation? I don't think you've thought this out very well. First, you don't take the results of Lee and go back and reconsider Cyprien. You point out that Cyprien was an unfortunate situation and another followed in Lee.

    To me, you are saying "Should I have jumped into the fire after I didn't drink the poison, or should I have just gone ahead and drank the poison and not jumped into the fire?" Did you leave room in your logic for "neither one"?

    You do not discover that a university coach puts false information on his resume and keep him. It is one of the clearest decisions this university has ever made. They may fumble and bumble around about a lot of things... but that was one they actually knew how to handle.

    Cyprien wasn't dismissed because he didn't have the advanced degree as indicated on his resume. He got fired for not being truthful. If he would have put down that he was married with 6 kids and we discovered he never married... he would have been fired as well. Would you be asking, "Do we require all coaches to be married with 6 kids... aren't 2 enough?"

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    Just1More's Avatar Just1More is offline Ragin Cajuns of Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns Greatest Fan Ever

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiredof theBS View Post
    _ Point well made and well taken, but did we handle it correctly by putting in a coach who was, and still isn't, qualified to be a division one head coach?

    Cyprien does have an undergraduate degree, he just does not have advanced degrees as they were implied on his resume. Why is it important that our basketball coach have an advanced degree?

    One more point after agreeing with your post. Should we have allowed Lee to Coach for ONE YEAR as interim coach and then hired a more qualified coach. Lee could have remained with our program as an assistant after a new coach was hired.

    Question, does Lee have an advanced degree? _
    You are getting confused. You don't say "Should I have gone ahead and drank the poison and therefore not jumped into the fire?" Lee is not justification for reconsideration of Cyprien. There are a lot of other people out there and many decisions can be made at many different points in time.

    Cyprien was fired for lying on his resume. We didn't fire him because he didn't have an advanced degree. He falsified his resume. He had to be terminated. Pure and simple. Easiest decision an AD can make.

    The advanced degree question is about like saying "He put down that he was a widower with 8 kids but he's never been married and only has 3 kids. Do we require a coach to be married?" No, we require them to tell the truth.

    I'm just thankful this got discovered very early on and we weren't into year 3 with a 3 year extension freshly inked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiredof theBS View Post
    _ Point well made and well taken, but did we handle it correctly by putting in a coach who was, and still isn't, qualified to be a division one head coach?

    Cyprien does have an undergraduate degree, he just does not have advanced degrees as they were implied on his resume. Why is it important that our basketball coach have an advanced degree?

    One more point after agreeing with your post. Should we have allowed Lee to Coach for ONE YEAR as interim coach and then hired a more qualified coach. Lee could have remained with our program as an assistant after a new coach was hired.

    Question, does Lee have an advanced degree? _
    Coach Lee has a bachleor's degree, not a Master's. That was not the issue with Cyprien. Cyprien's degree was not from an accredited school.

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    SlappyCajun and Just1More,

    You replied to my first post without reading my second post!!! If you look at my reply to Turbine I said;


    Quote Originally Posted by Tiredof theBS View Post
    _ You are correct. I guess I didn't remember the entire story. Here it is for those that may need a reminder (as I did) for how it all came down when we hired Cyprien. _

    Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxi ma culpa.

    Now, am I forgiven?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiredof theBS View Post
    _ SlappyCajun and Just1More,

    You replied to my first post without reading my second post!!! If you look at my reply to Turbine I said;





    Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxi ma culpa.

    Now, am I forgiven? _
    I forgive you and thanks again for your recapture.

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    Just1More's Avatar Just1More is offline Ragin Cajuns of Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns Greatest Fan Ever

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiredof theBS View Post
    _ SlappyCajun and Just1More,

    You replied to my first post without reading my second post!!! If you look at my reply to Turbine I said;





    Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxi ma culpa.

    Now, am I forgiven? _
    Sorry about that. I apologize for piling on when I didn't catch the follow-ups and I also didn't mean to post the same thing twice. I thought my first post glitched so I rewrote it. I failed you twice. My apologies.

    Merry Christmas and have a safe holiday season!

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