PAC 12

[SlickRick]

Here is one fact. The best chance for any G-5 to make NCAA money is in men's basketball. With Gonzaga, Utah State, SDSU, Boise, Colorado State and possibly New Mexico, the PAC is about 10,000 times more likely than the SBC to earn multiple NCAA tournament units in any given year. Plus the benefit of having home conference games with those schools rather than SBC schools would help basketball revenues significantly; not to mention basketball recruiting.

This is great point...football doesn't have the same ability to get to the tournament as MBB, BB or even SB. But, MBB has the ability to generate revenue over and above the cost of the program. It should be a no-brainer for this to have been seriously considered and inquired about with the folks putting the PAC back together. But...this is MH, SMDH!

[CajunT]

Here is one fact. The best chance for any G-5 to make NCAA money is in men's basketball. With Gonzaga, Utah State, SDSU, Boise, Colorado State and possibly New Mexico, the PAC is about 10,000 times more likely than the SBC to earn multiple NCAA tournament units in any given year. Plus the benefit of having home conference games with those schools rather than SBC schools would help basketball revenues significantly; not to mention basketball recruiting.

I think math matters VO when drawing conclusions. One can look at this and say you are absolutely right in discussion of MBB. But are you moving to another conference for one sport, or all sports?

So, let's do the math. To join the new PAC (MWC) for the entire program, we are talking about adding $2.5M to $3M in travel cost. Now that is not an exact number, but a reasonable projection at this time according to what I've been told. Now, that cost alone will eat at least that away from your net gain of the conference share. And that doesn't include the buyout from the SBC. The last number I heard wasn't recent was $2.5M. So, now we are up to $5M plus to move.

On its face that doesn't seem unreasonable provided we can find the money, which his highly unlikely based upon our current budget constraints coming from the state and lack of support today. Now, what is the number for at new member's share? There is nothing but rumors at this point, which is why Memphis and Tulane are leaving behind their deals with the AAC including a ridiculous buyout. So, if Tulane and Memphis don't see $10M as enough to move them why would this administration think it would be wise to do so today? The math simply doesn't add up to support such a move today.

Here's what I see happening in the next few years. We could have a major change coming at the top of our leadership within the next year or possibly two. There have been a number of rumors, but the UL System is still in a mode of change. I don't know how everything will shake out, and I don't know specifics. But it's highly unlikely any major decisions are made until that is worked out.

I will join in speculation in repeating that our future long term in a geographic Southern Conference with the likes of ECU, UAB and a number of others. The AAC has a large buyout, so that will be difficult to navigate for programs outside of Memphis and Tulane.

I still believe the Top 40-50 P4 programs will realign and what is left will define where a number of programs will align. How far down the road that becomes a reality no one knows, but it certainly looks like it will be more sooner than later.

[MarlinMan3]

This is great point...football doesn't have the same ability to get to the tournament as MBB, BB or even SB. But, MBB has the ability to generate revenue over and above the cost of the program. It should be a no-brainer for this to have been seriously considered and inquired about with the folks putting the PAC back together. But...this is MH, SMDH!

Do baseball and softball have a similar "units" stucture, albeit lesser payouts

[SlickRick]

I think math matters VO when drawing conclusions. One can look at this and say you are absolutely right in discussion of MBB. But are you moving to another conference for one sport, or all sports?

So, let's do the math. To join the new PAC (MWC) for the entire program, we are talking about adding $2.5M to $3M in travel cost. Now that is not an exact number, but a reasonable projection at this time according to what I've been told. Now, that cost alone will eat at least that away from your net gain of the conference share. And that doesn't include the buyout from the SBC. The last number I heard wasn't recent was $2.5M. So, now we are up to $5M plus to move.

On its face that doesn't seem unreasonable provided we can find the money, which his highly unlikely based upon our current budget constraints coming from the state and lack of support today. Now, what is the number for at new member's share? There is nothing but rumors at this point, which is why Memphis and Tulane are leaving behind their deals with the AAC including a ridiculous buyout. So, if Tulane and Memphis don't see $10M as enough to move them why would this administration think it would be wise to do so today? The math simply doesn't add up to support such a move today.

Here's what I see happening in the next few years. We could be a major change coming at the top of our leadership within the next year or possibly two. There have been a number of rumors, but the UL System is still in a mode of change. I don't know how everything will shake out, and I don't know specifics. But it's highly unlikely any major decisions are made until that is worked out.

I will join in speculation in repeating that our future long term in a geographic Southern Conference with the likes of ECU, UAB and a number of others. The AAC has a large buyout, so that will be difficult to navigate for programs outside of Memphis and Tulane.

I still believe the Top 40-50 P4 programs will realign and what is left will define where a number of programs will align. How far down the road that becomes a reality no one knows, but it certainly looks like it will be more sooner than later.

Not seeing any real or estimated numbers for travel, revenue generation, exit and entry fees, doing the math is impossible for those not in the know. Travelling to the east coast is not cheap either, though the average travel distance is definitely much more to the PAC members.

Based on many comments thru the years, BB and SB are breakeven sports of us. If we have more "bad seasons" like this past year, I doubt we breakeven with those 2. Football and Basketball can be (very) profitable if we get better crowds. If in the PAC, we will undoubtedly put more butts in seats with their teams than where we stand in the Belt. And, that would be the same for MBB.

If we moved to the PAC, it's not ideal for damn sure, but I worry we'll be here, sitting around when the next re-alignment occurs and hoping for the best rather than being proactive and seeing what we can do today to change perceptions. I can't say what's best for our program because I/We don't have access to the numbers. So, I really don't know which way we should go, but we (this administration) should have done everything in our power take a deep dive into the details to make an informed decision. A decision which should be shared, with details, to all of us that put our hard earned money into these programs buying seats, doing NIL donations, funding the suit-em-up program for football like I do every year. Having season tickets in 4 sports etc. etc.

I'm 1 foot away from staying home and watching our teams play on the streaming channels. I can still participate in tailgating, then head home for the game. I'll be 70 in August...it won't take much to push me home instead of being the stands. So much of our current fan base is older and we are in need of a PERCEPTION change to make new, younger fans!

[CajunNation]

We have much a smaller buyout than the AAC and much smaller payouts from the SBC.

Tulane's calculation is very different than our calculation.

There is no avenue for the SBC to greatly increase its payouts with its current makeup.

There is no guarantee we would ever be included in some AAC/SBC mashup.

We have whistled past the graveyard about a million times since realignment started 40 years ago. We have done NOTHING and somehow survived. We have told other conferences don't even ask us. We have convinced other schools to not accept invites because it would make us look bad.

Our luck will end one day, and probably one day soon. Look around. The SBC West ain't going anywhere and neither are we.

[NOCajun]

I think math matters VO when drawing conclusions. One can look at this and say you are absolutely right in discussion of MBB. But are you moving to another conference for one sport, or all sports?

So, let's do the math. To join the new PAC (MWC) for the entire program, we are talking about adding $2.5M to $3M in travel cost. Now that is not an exact number, but a reasonable projection at this time according to what I've been told. Now, that cost alone will eat at least that away from your net gain of the conference share. And that doesn't include the buyout from the SBC. The last number I heard wasn't recent was $2.5M. So, now we are up to $5M plus to move.

On its face that doesn't seem unreasonable provided we can find the money, which his highly unlikely based upon our current budget constraints coming from the state and lack of support today. Now, what is the number for at new member's share? There is nothing but rumors at this point, which is why Memphis and Tulane are leaving behind their deals with the AAC including a ridiculous buyout. So, if Tulane and Memphis don't see $10M as enough to move them why would this administration think it would be wise to do so today? The math simply doesn't add up to support such a move today.

Here's what I see happening in the next few years. We could have a major change coming at the top of our leadership within the next year or possibly two. There have been a number of rumors, but the UL System is still in a mode of change. I don't know how everything will shake out, and I don't know specifics. But it's highly unlikely any major decisions are made until that is worked out.

I will join in speculation in repeating that our future long term in a geographic Southern Conference with the likes of ECU, UAB and a number of others. The AAC has a large buyout, so that will be difficult to navigate for programs outside of Memphis and Tulane.

I still believe the Top 40-50 P4 programs will realign and what is left will define where a number of programs will align. How far down the road that becomes a reality no one knows, but it certainly looks like it will be more sooner than later.

One can only hope. There hasn't been what I consider a true, Southern, G5-level conference in my adult life. What I consider the closest thing to it was the old Southwest Conference.

#cULture
#WeAreLouisiana
#GeauxCajuns
#BEATrice

[VObserver]

I'm 1 foot away from staying home and watching our teams play on the streaming channels. I can still participate in tailgating, then head home for the game. I'll be 70 in August...it won't take much to push me home instead of being the stands. So much of our current fan base is older and we are in need of a PERCEPTION change to make new, younger fans!

This is a very valid point. I will be 78 in November. What UL does will have little affect on me, but I am too damn old to accept abuse for much longer. I believe you are 100% correct in your assessment that we desperately need a perception change to energize a younger demographic; a switch to the PAC might be a gamble, but at least it would indicate that we really are making an effort to up our game across multiple sports and to give our fans more entertainment value for their money.

[CajunNation]

This is a very valid point. I will be 78 in November. What UL does will have little affect on me, but I am too damn old to accept abuse for much longer. I believe you are 100% correct in your assessment that we desperately need a perception change to energize a younger demographic; a switch to the PAC might be a gamble, but at least it would indicate that we really are making an effort to up our game across multiple sports and to give our fans more entertainment value for their money.

It wouldn't be the gamble some are making it out to be. We aren't latech. We haven't burned bridges. There will always be a home waiting for us in either the SLC2(SBCwest) or the SLC3(CUSAwest) if things don't work out.

[Esqueleto]

It wouldn't be the gamble some are making it out to be. We aren't latech. We haven't burned bridges. There will always be a home waiting for us in either the SLC2(SBCwest) or the SLC3(CUSAwest) if things don't work out.

Can you be the AD, please?

[CajunNation]

Can you be the AD, please?

I would rather be the president.