UL - DEI

[HoustonCajun]

Is UL still enforcing DEI or has it terminated it per President Trump's order? If not terminated, how much in federal spending for UL and particularly R&D does UL stand to lose?

[ZoomZoom]

Is UL still enforcing DEI or has it terminated it per President Trump's order? If not terminated, how much in federal spending for UL and particularly R&D does UL stand to lose?

It’s the cap on administrative costs that will hit universities. Cap is usually 15% on most grants, but saw 20% recently. Seems research grants didn’t have such caps.

Disaster grants and such have a multiplier used to cover non direct costs. That will be interesting.

Pandora’s box is being opened.

[CajunStros]

It’s the cap on administrative costs that will hit universities. Cap is usually 15% on most grants, but saw 20% recently. Seems research grants didn’t have such caps.

Disaster grants and such have a multiplier used to cover non direct costs. That will be interesting.

Pandora’s box is being opened.

This is false. The allowable indirect costs associated with grants from the feds (in this case NIH) has been capped at 15%. This rate is usually negotiated between the university and the agency by a paid consultant and done every 5 years or so. Not sure what UL’s rate is but, I think it’s was upwards of 40% This means that 40% of the grant award can be used to pay for support staff salary, the equipment used in the research project, other supplies, utilities and things that the university already has in place that get used to conduct the research.

Now that the cap has been instituted, these reduces the amount the university can claim as indirect costs associated with the project/grant. This is now an extra cost that university has to absorb that they previously did not - when conducting research paid for by NIH.

Schools that have med schools attached will be particularly hit hard as their rates are as much as 60%.

I voted for the guy, but this is one of the things I don’t align with.

Source: my wife does this for a living

EDIT: fat fingers typing

[ZoomZoom]

This is false. The allowable indirect costs associated with grants from the feds (in this case NIH) has been capped at 15%. This rate is usually negotiated between the university and the agency by a paid consultant and done every 5 years or so. Not sure what UL’s rate is but, I think it’s was upwards of 40% This means that 40% of the grant award can be used to pay for support staff salary, the equipment used in the research project, other supplies, utilities and things that the university already has in place that get used to conduct the research.

Now that the cap has been instituted, these reduces the amount the university can claim as indirect costs associated with the project/grant. This is now an extra cost that university has to absorb that they previously did not - when conducting research paid for by NIH.

Schools that have med schools attached will be particularly hit hard as their rates are as much as 60%.

I voted for the guy, but this is one of the things I don’t align with.

Source: my wife does this for a living

EDIT: fat fingers typing

Just think we’re in the same pond though. But false, no. DOGE is changing things.

I worked under the 15% cap for decades.

Just went to a public hearing and personally saw 20%.

I also worked large projects where a multiplier was used.

Harvard is on the DOGE radar for their admin/indirect costs. This is a basis for my comment and universities. https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2...t-costs-email/

“Under the new order, Harvard will be able to charge the National Institute of Health at most 15 cents in overhead costs for every dollar spent on research — a significant decrease from the 69 cents the University currently charges. The average NIH indirect cost rate has historically been between 27 to 28 percent”.

And I’ve personally seen “never say no” in action.

FEMA should be on the radar yesterday. Nature of their work is mobilization fast as possible and start up costs for even the Halliburtons and AECOMs of the world are immense.

And things like this happens, Louisiana and post storm grants. Basically what happened elevation grants were set at market rate. Of course, that figure wasn’t enough a few days later. Line employees were “told, allegedly” let owners spend it elsewhere on their property. And lo and behold, when the Feds, years later, audited, this was a problem. And that was HUD money, a small drop in the overall federal budget. This was 2005 money, and here the state was, trying to find money.

https://www.govexec.com/management/2...counted/62312/

[cajunfan96]

Is UL still enforcing DEI or has it terminated it per President Trump's order? If not terminated, how much in federal spending for UL and particularly R&D does UL stand to lose?

Biology dept still has DI listing under about us on webpage.

[CajunStros]

Just think we’re in the same pond though. But false, no. DOGE is changing things.

I worked under the 15% cap for decades.

Just went to a public hearing and personally saw 20%.

I also worked large projects where a multiplier was used.

Harvard is on the DOGE radar for their admin/indirect costs. This is a basis for my comment and universities. https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2...t-costs-email/

“Under the new order, Harvard will be able to charge the National Institute of Health at most 15 cents in overhead costs for every dollar spent on research — a significant decrease from the 69 cents the University currently charges. The average NIH indirect cost rate has historically been between 27 to 28 percent”.

And I’ve personally seen “never say no” in action.

FEMA should be on the radar yesterday. Nature of their work is mobilization fast as possible and start up costs for even the Halliburtons and AECOMs of the world are immense.

And things like this happens. Basically what happened elevation grants were set at market rate. Of course, that figure wasn’t enough a few days later. Line employees were “told, allegedly” let owners spend it elsewhere on their property. And lo and behold, when the Feds, years later, audited, this was a problem. And that was HUD money, a small drop in the overall federal budget.

https://www.govexec.com/management/2...counted/62312/

Agree we are in the same fishing hole.

Harvard is not the only target unfortunately. The cap is across the board for all NIH grants which UL gets awards from.

It just got substantially more expensive to conduct research at the University level.

Still a very fluid situation though.

[CajunStros]

Agree we are in the same fishing hole.

Harvard is not the only target unfortunately. The cap is across the board for all NIH grants which UL gets awards from.

It just got substantially more expensive to conduct research at the University level.

Still a very fluid situation though.

And agreed, FEMA has some explaining to do.

[60swerethebest]

Acad Advocate says UL would lose about $130,000 on NIH cap. Most of our research is in other areas. Tulane and LSU get hit hard. State loses $28m overall. NIH overhead is min 40% nation wide. Varies for other funding sources.

[60swerethebest]

DEI was never a big thing in CoE. Emphasis on hiring minorities but little pressure on forcing hires. We were successful in getting strong profs in Civil. Hardest part is hiring US born. Even then we had great success. Just hard to hold all of them. There’s NIL in academia too. Just called something else.

[GreatestStory]

Biology dept still has DI listing under about us on webpage.

You mean the same UL Lafayette Biology department who on November 18, 2024 shared this (now deleted) comment on their official Facebook page?