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Thread: My Analysis of Why Cayenne Died at UL:

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    Stupid is relative. See the list below.

    https://www.si.com/college/2019/08/1.scots-rankings

    These made the top-10

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    It's all about what works, and Cayenne was well on his way to becoming the next crazy mascot to make it big:

    https://www.yardbarker.com/college_f.405296#slide_4




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    I WILL rise again.
    I think an important note to take from all the mascots you mentioned is their origin vs how Cayenne created. I encourage everyone to research the college mascots you admire and look at how they were adopted.

    Three out of the four mascots pictured were an individual effort by a students, or students, to bring entertainment to their peers. Once they won over the students, sometimes taking years, their admins adopted the character.

    This is also one of my biggest criticisms of Cayenne. Hardly anyone can tell us exactly who came up with the character. And if they did know who came up with him, could they say where is that person now? Being unable to answer those questions led to the in-organic origin of Cayenne. So when he was put up on the chopping block, there was no one around that cared enough to save him.

    I will never go back and forth with anyone's appreciation of Cayenne. I appreciate him to an extent. But the truth of the matter is, he's gone. He's gone because the fans did not like him enough to keep him. The work I'm putting into the next character is so that the majority of the fanbase will like him enough to keep him around; because he will be created organically.

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    Several of you have mentioned, "it's the person in the suit that makes the suit." That is true, but to an extent. Most university mascots are run by a small group of students, rather than just one. Together, they take shifts putting on the suit for different events. They would also be in charge of coming up with skits for the fanbase. You can think of them sort of like a school sketch comedy group.

    The importance of entertainment and building out the character is why I wrote skits for Albineaux in the Phase 2 presentation.


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    #makeAlLouisianaMascot


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    Quote Originally Posted by CouillonCinema View Post
    Bringing my detailed thread I just posted on Twitter onto here just in case any of you diehard fans would be interested.

    This thread is not a critique of anyone’s feelings for the character. I myself have a fondness for him. I saw him help expand the brand of UL across the country. That is why while doing my Albineaux research, I had to look at why his predecessor failed. These are my hypothesis from lightest offense to worse.
    Which Cayenne? The thing was a disaster even in the planning stages.

    Authément would sometimes drop small bombs when I spoke with him. One of them was, "I told them I wanted an image for the university. They brought back a sports logo." In their defense, what he was asking was way over their pay-grade, and even outside of their educational backgrounds.

    The logos-- which as discussed, added yellow to our colors, with an explanation that it was 'vermilion'-- created a number of problems. The company who designed it for us did really nice 1- and 2-color logos for other colleges and a number of pro teams (Atlanta Hawks, Boston Bruins, quite a few others). I happened to run into one of the people who worked on our logo. He didn't have much nice to say. He explained that the people in charge kept insisting on 'something like the Saints. ' but with a lot of heat, and so they finally gave us this.

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    It was a mess, looked like it should have been on the set of Grease. But we got our Saints logo.

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    And remember this beauty? It was called a 'peelable,' something we could stick everywhere.

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    And if you wish to know how little the graphics company thought of us, here is a screen-shot from their website, listing their clients:

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    Also, there were the flame numbers that we paid for. they had to be retired, because they were illegible on our uniforms.

    And with all that came Cayenne. Some of the locals objected; the word 'Cayenne' is from an Arawak word 'Guiana' (notice the similarities), and except that it became the name for French Guyana, it has no connection to us. In addition, it is an inaccurate stereotype of our food: traditionally Cajun/Creole cooking has a touch of pepper, but not much. This seemed to associate us with Mexican, Indian Vindaloo, Szechuan, and other cuisines.

    Next, a mascot typically costs $8-10K. We spent $25K.

    $10K of that came from the students, who were told they would be involved in the process, and meet with the designer. They were excluded. The SGA President at the time said she wanted their money back. I never found out what happened about that.

    We hired a Disney artist and when the artist sent the design to the costumers, the latter reported that, as designed, it was impossible. Further comedies of error appeared along the way.

    Anyway, here is the first Cayenne; despite an extensive search for I did years ago for a good photo, this was the best I found.

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    He was quickly nick-named something we can't type here, but think of the cartoon bird named 'Woody.' When we played LSU that year, you can imagine the jokes built around that off-color nickname.

    So there was $25K gone. Then they went to the second Cayenne, that opened this thread.

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    Now, one of Authément's stipulations was that he wanted something that wouldn't scare the kids. This, however, scared the ever-lovin' merde out of the kids. I was taking my 5 year-old son to games; he got one eyeful of that thing, and spent the rest of the game whipping his head around, making sure it wasn't sneaking up behind him. Perhaps that's why he never really enjoyed going to games with me.

    Finally, there is the third addition, slightly less "He-e-e-re's Johnny!!" looking, but still pretty bad.

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    I have more stories to tell, but I gotta go.

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    The vast knowledge of CajunFun knows no bounds.

    Man that is some good historical synopsis.

    Thanks


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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunFun View Post
    Which Cayenne? The thing was a disaster even in the planning stages.

    Authément would sometimes drop small bombs when I spoke with him. "I told them I wanted an image for the university. They brought back a sports logo." One of them was, In their defense, what he was asking was way over their pay-grade, and even outside of their educational backgrounds.

    The logos-- which as discussed, added yellow to our colors, with an explanation that it was 'vermilion'-- created a number of problems. The company who designed it for us did really nice 1- and 2-color logos for other colleges and a number of pro teams (Atlanta Hawks, Boston Bruins, quite a few others). I happened to run into one of the people who worked on our logo. He didn't have much nice to say. He explained that the people in charge kept insisting on 'something like the Saints. ' but with a lot of heat, and so they finally gave us this.

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    It was a mess, looked like it should have been on the set of Grease. But we got our Saints logo.

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Views: 71
Size:  83.6 KB

    And remember this beauty? It was called a 'peelable,' something we could stick everywhere.

    Name:  CajunsPepper.png
Views: 70
Size:  29.8 KB

    And if you wish to know how little the graphics company thought of us, here is a screen-shot from their website, listing their clients:

    Name:  SME Crop.jpg
Views: 70
Size:  20.8 KB

    Also, there were the flame numbers that we paid for. they had to be retired, because they were illegible on our uniforms.

    And with all that came Cayenne. Some of the locals objected; the word 'Cayenne' is from an Arawak word 'Guiana' (notice the similarities), and except that it became the name for French Guyana, it has no connection to us. In addition, it is an inaccurate stereotype of our food: traditionally Cajun/Creole cooking has a touch of pepper, but not much. This seemed to associate us with Mexican, Indian Vindaloo, Szechuan, and other cuisines.

    Next, a mascot typically costs $8-10K. We spent $25K.

    $10K of that came from the students, who were told they would be involved in the process, and meet with the designer. They were excluded. The SGA President at the time said she wanted their money back. I never found out what happened about that.

    We hired a Disney artist and when the artist sent the design to the costumers, the latter reported that, as designed, it was impossible. Further comedies of error appeared along the way.

    Anyway, here is the first Cayenne; despite an extensive search for I did years ago for a good photo, this was the best I found.

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Size:  30.5 KB

    He was quickly nick-named something we can't type here, but think of the cartoon bird named 'Woody.' When we played LSU that year, you can imagine the jokes built around that off-color nickname.

    So there was $25K gone. Then they went to the second Cayenne, that opened this thread.

    Attachment 19665

    Now, one of Authément's stipulations was that he wanted something that wouldn't scare the kids. This, however, scared the ever-lovin' merde out of the kids. I was taking my 5 year-old son to games; he got one eyeful of that thing, and spent the rest of the game whipping his head around, making sure it wasn't sneaking up behind him. Perhaps that's why he never really enjoyed going to games with me.

    Finally, there is the third addition, slightly less "He-e-e-re's Johnny!!" looking, but still pretty bad.

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    I have more stories to tell, but I gotta go.
    Okay see they never understood the culture here at Louisiana. Everything from the logo is bush league.

    He wanted a Logo for the University but instead got a sports logo.

    I think what you are saying is spot on. Also same with the mascot and how it looked.

    Like somebody’s outside view of what cajun culture is, not what it really is.


    They didnt take the time and did enough research to do it correctly.

    The only good thing that came out of that is the FDL.

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    One of the reason why i messed around with the logo for years. It never seemed right.

    It looks small time, and doesnt represent the school. We need a 3rd logo, if you are not going to use the UL then we need to use something else.

    Lets get a Mascot and a Logo!!

    Even ULM had a fortune 500 company design the logo for there University.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragin9221 View Post
    One of the reason why i messed around with the logo for years. It never seemed right.

    It looks small time, and doesnt represent the school. We need a 3rd logo, if you are not going to use the UL then we need to use something else.

    Lets get a Mascot and a Logo!!
    Bro, I would hire you for my assistant to the assistant manager. UL needs the ideas and energy you would bring!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esqueleto View Post
    Bro, I would hire you for my assistant to the assistant manager. UL needs the ideas and energy you would bring!
    Cant even get an interview brother !! lol

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    Think how much CoullionCinema the time and effort he has given up to promote Al.

    He has went on local television, has a twitter/x account has created a marketing drive, came up with drawings, a narrative, a whole back story for this mascot. Even analyzing why Cayenne has failed and try to avoid the pitfalls with creating a mascot and trying to avoid the mistakes. Kudos to CouillonCinema.

    Its like to get anything done is like pulling teeth. I mean is it just apathy?

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    maybe we need to get a dentist to pitch it


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    At this point, no. It is intentional.


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    Ww got a mascot. There is this Swamp on Campus.


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    Quick comparison

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunNation View Post
    Who is more likely to do this:

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    I could easily see that crazy Cayenne doing stuff like this. He's so Canaille!

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    We get it. You like Cayenne.

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