House / NCAA

[Cajun_in_NM]

what or whose money tree will support the “getting better athletes for sports”

It's a matter of redirecting funds. Is the RCAF removed to allow for direct funding? Are staffs cut to allow for player payouts? Are admin seats removed to generate funds? Are coaches asked to make $100K investments in their teams? Maybe, and hear me out, maybe the staff for either athletics or RCAF try to find new donors by selling a dream. Maybe there's hope that UL can be the poster child for pushing through when all other contemporaries say "G5 doesn't have to, so we won't".

This is the moment in time, many have been warning of. Most thought it'd be conference realignment; it isn't conference - it's cash. UL can build a new dream with a new home, by forgoing other conference-isms, and going head-first into payments.

Admittedly, I don't like the thought of paying kids huge monies, when the paying public makes less than them. But, these are the rules given. So, you can either beat them at their own game, or concede. I don't suggest choosing concede.

[CajunVic]

It's a matter of redirecting funds. Is the RCAF removed to allow for direct funding? NO

Are staffs cut to allow for player payouts? NOT OVER STAFFED SO NO

Are admin seats removed to generate funds? DOUBT WE HAVE ROOM THERE EITHER

Are coaches asked to make $100K investments in their teams? WE DONT HAVE ONE COACH WITH A SALARY HIGH ENOUGHT TO DO THAT OTHER THAN POSSIBLY THE BIG FISH

Maybe, and hear me out, maybe the staff for either athletics or RCAF try to find new donors by selling a dream. WE TAPPED OUT ON THE NEW STADIUM AND STILL NEED MORE FUNDING FOR THAT

Maybe there's hope that UL can be the poster child for pushing through when all other contemporaries say "G5 doesn't have to, so we won't". GOOD LUCK WITH THAT ONE

LIKE I ASKED, WHERE IS YOUR MONEY TREE

ITS PAY TO PLAY TIME AND TO COMPETE IN THAT ARENA, YOU NEED A MONEY TREE

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[R1Letterman]

Very good point sir. Certainly not against either. But if the operations money is getting slimmer in order to pay the players is it better to reduce costs across the board of all sports or trim a few off if allowed? And I think I interpret R1Letterman's point that all of this is intentional by the P4 and I'll throw in the corporate media with them cheerleading this set up for a breakaway. It all stinks to high heaven.

When speaking costs, what are the minimum number of meets/matches/events required for the various sports? Also i seem to recall a time when coaches of the smaller sports (even not necessarily smaller, such as volleyball) were actual teaching faculty members, so that moves the salary cost out of athletics pot

[R1Letterman]

Speaking of lawsuits, im also surprised no academic student who was denied admission but had better credentials than an athelte (especially a preferred walk on) hasnt sued.
There was a case of someone suing texas because they had to go to TSAB, and won at SCOTUS but wasnt about sports taking up the last admissions slot, and case was against texas not tsab...but Surprised more who went there havent sued, lol

[CajunNation]

People, even if we take a time Machine back to the early 70's and we're raking in the oil money again, we don't have people in the administration capable of puting away their ideologies in order to utilize that money like we should.

We will not be chasing NIL money. We will not be following SMU into the ACC or Houston into the B12. Deal with it.

[cjr3888]

Huge changes coming to college baseball. Look for the P4 to basically become short season single A ball. They will give full scholarships plus stipends to all players on their roster. Everyone else will pay what they can but be a different division with their own CWS.

[VObserver]

Very good point sir. Certainly not against either. But if the operations money is getting slimmer in order to pay the players is it better to reduce costs across the board of all sports or trim a few off if allowed? And I think I interpret R1Letterman's point that all of this is intentional by the P4 and I'll throw in the corporate media with them cheerleading this set up for a breakaway. It all stinks to high heaven.

If you have to choose and are free of regulations preventing it, you are much better off having a few sports competing at a high level than many mediocre ones.

[VObserver]

Huge changes coming to college baseball. Look for the P4 to basically become short season single A ball. They will give full scholarships plus stipends to all players on their roster. Everyone else will pay what they can but be a different division with their own CWS.

It depends. If the number of required sports is reduced, we can chose where the money from the deleted programs get re-directed. Why would we send that money to sports that cannot be competitive at a high level [Football]? Or to programs that have chosen to lower their standard rather than try to compete at a high level [MBB, WBB]? Why not send those savings to sports that have a tradition of high level competition and/or a chance of success at that level [Softball, Baseball, Track & Field]?

Also; through NIL, P4 schools are already paying significant sums to players indirectly.
Arkansas, for example, gave every girl on the softball roster free use of an automobile last year.

In effect, the P5/4 have been separated from everyone else for years in both Baseball and Softball. In the last 25 years P5/4 schools have won all but 3 National Championships in Baseball. In softball, that number is even more lopsided; P5/4 teams have won all but 2 championships since 1982. The most recent non P5/4 winner was in 1998.

[cjr3888]

It depends. If the number of required sports is reduced, we can chose where the money from the deleted programs get re-directed. Why would we send that money to sports that cannot be competitive at a high level [Football]? Or to programs that have chosen to lower their standard rather than try to compete at a high level [MBB, WBB]? Why not send those savings to sports that have a tradition of high level competition and/or a chance of success at that level [Softball, Baseball, Track & Field]?

Also; through NIL, P4 schools are already paying significant sums to players indirectly.
Arkansas, for example, gave every girl on the softball roster free use of an automobile last year.

In effect, the P5/4 have been separated from everyone else for years in both Baseball and Softball. In the last 25 years P5/4 schools have won all but 3 National Championships in Baseball. In softball, that number is even more lopsided; P5/4 teams have won all but 2 championships since 1982. The most recent non P5/4 winner was in 1998.

This is from people well informed on the workings of college and professional baseball. They are saying the split will be to baseball specific conferences. Been in the works for 3 or 4 years behind the scenes which is also why MLB cut teams & shortened the draft. Major shakeup in the college baseball landscape coming.

[Scott Malkinson]

Easy to drop baseball; not so easy to drop any Title 9 protected sport [e.g. softball]

Ark state doesn't have softball. So cutting baseball saves 23 scholarships.

[R1Letterman]

Huge changes coming to college baseball. Look for the P4 to basically become short season single A ball. They will give full scholarships plus stipends to all players on their roster. Everyone else will pay what they can but be a different division with their own CWS.

Will we have a lower price to watch the new lower than division than current espn plus prices?

[Cajun_in_NM]

Time and stance are interesting. You can either let them run out, or catch as much of each as possible.

You make it sound like we should give up, because you don't know of any options. The past failures shouldn't dictate our future.

Sometimes you have to stand up and use all the time available. I choose to fight, and hope you do also. There's a lot more money out there than you realize. UL just has to convince those with it, to invest.

[R1Letterman]

This is from people well informed on the workings of college and professional baseball. They are saying the split will be to baseball specific conferences. Been in the works for 3 or 4 years behind the scenes which is also why MLB cut teams & shortened the draft. Major shakeup in the college baseball landscape coming.

This is from the latest deal in 2023:

Minimum salaries will increase from $4,800 to $19,800 a season for rookie ball; $11,000 to $27,300 at High Class A; $13,800 to $27,300 at Class AA;

[R1Letterman]

Checks notes: mid week games count in pro ball at all levels, not sure P4 wants that aspect

[Scott Malkinson]

Nebraska 's John Cook deferred compensation agreement:

"If Mr. Cook terminates employment as head coach of the program prior to January 31, 2029 and accepts employment as a coach with a member school of the NCAA or a successor organization."

Looks like lawyers are beginning to cover their tracks for if/when the NCAA implodes and a new governing body emerges as its successor.