Brian Mitchell

[Turbine]

What I think hurt Brian Mitchell's HoF bid early on is that Hall of Famers Curtis Martin, Marshall Faulk, Tim Brown, Emmitt Smith, and Jerry Rice all retired within 3-years of his last game. And Thurmon Thomas 3 years prior.

He slipped through the early cracks due to a plethora of candidates and the hindsight analysis has been dirt poor.

[Hark Mudspeth]

What I think hurt Brian Mitchell's HoF bid early on is that Hall of Famers Curtis Martin, Marshall Faulk, Tim Brown, Emmitt Smith, and Jerry Rice all retired within 3-years of his last game. And Thurmon Thomas 3 years prior.

He slipped through the early cracks due to a plethora of candidates and the hindsight analysis has been dirt poor.

Go look up players that still aren't in. I don't think it's dirt poor analysis, they just don't value special teams players. I doubt we will ever see a long snapper get in strictly for his long snapping abilities but it's pretty damn important aspect of a football game. It would have to be a hall of fame position player who also long snapped. I still think he gets in it just maybtaje quite a few years, probably after his death. Or a year when the ballot is really thin. Dont confuse what I think should happen with the reason I think he isn't in or may not get in.

[Turbine]

Go look up players that still aren't in. I don't think it's dirt poor analysis, they just don't value special teams players. I doubt we will ever see a long snapper get in strictly for his long snapping abilities but it's pretty damn important aspect of a football game. It would have to be a hall of fame position player who also long snapped. I still think he gets in it just maybtaje quite a few years, probably after his death. Or a year when the ballot is really thin. Dont confuse what I think should happen with the reason I think he isn't in or may not get in.

None have Brian Mitchell type numbers and he did it in a position that is hard as can be to put up the kind of career numbers that he did.

Even if you take away Brian's "back up" numbers as you coined them, he would still be in the top-10 all-time.

The ones you allude to that are not in, (they are good) don't have numbers that match their peers. Brian Mitchell has no peer.

[Hark Mudspeth]

None have Brian Mitchell type numbers and he did it in a position that is hard as can be to put up the kind of career numbers that he did.

Even if you take away Brian's "back up" numbers as you coined them, he would still be in the top-10 all-time.

The ones you allude to that are not in, (they are good) don't have numbers that match their peers. Brian Mitchell has no peer.

Again, as usual you are confusing a discussion for my stance. Whether I think he should be in or not is irrelevant bc I don't have a vote. Ive said why I think he isn't in yet,,what do you think? It's obviously not lack of total yards yards, so what is it? His total yardage blows everyone out the water so what's keeping him out? They lost his paper? Confused him with a different brian Mitchell? He's black! He went to USL? I promise you his name has been discussed so what is it?

[Turbine]

Again, as usual you are confusing a discussion for my stance. Whether I think he should be in or not is irrelevant bc I don't have a vote. Ive said why I think he isn't in yet,,what do you think? It's obviously not lack of total yards yards, so what is it? His total yardage blows everyone out the water so what's keeping him out? They lost his paper? Confused him with a different brian Mitchell? He's black! He went to USL? I promise you his name has been discussed so what is it?

I told you 6 current HoF members (in his category range) (1 better)retired within 3-years of Brian Mitchell retiring.

Also poor marketing.

[Hark Mudspeth]

I told you 6 current HoF members (in his category range) (1 better)retired within 3-years of Brian Mitchell retiring.

Also poor marketing.

He has had several chances since then, he is always eligible. Those guys have long been in. If he has those yards on offense he is first ballot...it's the fact it was mainly accomplished on special teams is what kept him out. They don't value special teams, nothing to do with marketing. Not saying it's right but it's reality. Teams regularly sign guys literally off the couch to play special teams devaluing their perceived worth. I Still think he and Hester eventually get in.

[Turbine]

He has had several chances since then, he is always eligible. Those guys have long been in. If he has those yards on offense he is first ballot...it's the fact it was mainly accomplished on special teams is what kept him out. They don't value special teams, nothing to do with marketing. Not saying it's right but it's reality. Teams regularly sign guys literally off the couch to play special teams devaluing their perceived worth. I Still think he and Hester eventually get in.

It has everything to do with marketing.

Not one national story mentioned he had surpassed Jerry Rice until 10 months later when Jerry Rice passed him back up.

Brian didn't announce his retirement with fanfare, he quietly bowed out.

At the Awards Banquet Scott Brazda announced the new Brian Mitchell Award and declared Brian #2 all-time. He was actually #1 at the time. I corrected Scott afterwards and he said he was just reading what they put in front of him.

That is the norm. If you don't have a marketing arm, the sports world doesn't remember what they never knew.

I can guarantee you this, if Brian had stayed and retired as a Redskin, he would be in the Hall of Fame right now.

Fanfare, awareness marketing excitement. FAME

[Hark Mudspeth]

It has everything to do with marketing.

Not one national story mentioned he had surpassed Jerry Rice until 10 months later when Jerry Rice passed him back up.

Brian didn't announce his retirement with fanfare, he quietly bowed out.

At the Awards Banquet Scott Brazda announced the new Brian Mitchell Award and declared Brian #2 all-time. He was actually #1 at the time. I corrected Scott afterwards and he said he was just reading what they put in front of him.

That is the norm. If you don't have a marketing arm, the sports world doesn't remember what they never knew.

I can guarantee you this, if Brian had stayed and retired as a Redskin, he would be in the Hall of Fame right now.

Fanfare, awareness marketing excitement. FAME

So now guys buy their way in with marketing...has it ever occurred to you he quietly retired and no fanfare becayse they don't value the all time special teamer like they do the 20th ranked RB? "He is the all time return yardage holder...so" that's what I'm saying, he could market all he wants and I don't think people would care. The amount of "special teams guys" In the hall of Fame Says they don't value them like a guy who went to the same college as he did. It's not just Brian.

[Turbine]

So now guys buy their way in with marketing...has it ever occurred to you he quietly retired and no fanfare becayse they don't value the all time special teamer like they do the 20th ranked RB? "He is the all time return yardage holder...so" that's what I'm saying, he could market all he wants and I don't think people would care. The amount of "special teams guys" In the hall of Fame Says they don't value them like a guy who went to the same college as he did. It's not just Brian.

The kick return yards list is separate from the all-purpose yards list.

With good marketing you wouldn't confuse the two.

On one he is #1 on the second he is #2.

[Turbine]

There is no asterisk net to his numbers.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...yds_career.htm

We need to quit trying to add one.