WR Room per Foote

[KajunKrazy]

Wait are you saying we run a vanilla offense?

No. C 4 Life was saying that we have pre snap read only no progression from there and checking down if that breaks down.

[cajun4life]

So you telling me when the defense gives you a false look pre snap and jump into something else at the snap were done? No checking down? I know Levi would survey the field and check down and go through his progressions. But from what I saw last year I don’t doubt what you are saying about this current O.

I had a son play QB in high school in a more complex system where he had multiple reads on every pass play pre and post snap.

I’m pretty sure there isn’t any high school systems around here that are more complex that an collegiate system.

[cajun4life]

No. C 4 Life was saying that we have pre snap read only no progression from there and checking down if that breaks down.

In the most simple explanation, yes. It’s more complex than that, but I’m sure you know that too.

[Rainman66]

No. C 4 Life was saying that we have pre snap read only no progression from there and checking down if that breaks down.

Correct, it is a one read throw, not a one read route tree.

It goes something like this.

1. Pre-snap - run or pass based upon numbers in the box. More in the box means going to be a throw. QB also has a preliminary read on pass coverage.

2. Post-snap - Each receiver runs the route called for by the play then the QB starts a progression, based upon his read of the defense. Now with a one read throw, the QB is throwing to the very first receiver in that progression.

One read throws are utilized when the OL isn’t very good and cannot give a QB time to get through his progressions or for inexperienced QBs to simplify the situation.

The main problem with one read throws is that it relies on the QB getting the initial defense read correct AND the initial receiving option to be open.

Why is the QB read of the defense so important? Imagine three receivers and a TE are out in pass patterns. There are four options for the QB to choose from, but which one is the 1st option? Well, that depends on the defense’s coverage. The Y receiver might be the #1 option vs man, but the X is #1 against cover 2 and the Z may be #1 versus a cover 1.

So, that is how you get receivers ‘running wide open’ and the QB never looking at them.

Yes, a lot rides on the play call, but even with a ‘good’ play call, the correct reads are instrumental to everything going according to plan.

[KajunKrazy]

I’m pretty sure there isn’t any high school systems around here that are more complex that an collegiate system.

You are probably correct. But I will say this a friend of mine who is a coach that coached in the the super dome with a few different teams as ahead coach and won it with one said they ask him to do an awful lot in the read game as HS QB.

On visits with college coaches in the meeting rooms and the coaches would put on film and ask him what he saw in the reads and he would explain to them and they would say they had kids 2 years in their program who still couldn’t pick that up. And he had all the same reads as they did in their programs just different terminology.

[zephyr]

Well in 2021 we were 13-1 best record in my lifetime. LeBlanc led the team in yards and receptions through the championship game. He did not play in the bowl game. Call it what you want.

I will because we had 3 NFL running backs on that team who accounted over 50% of the team's overall offense and one of the best defenses ever at this school.

[zephyr]

So you want to rely on a true freshman. Name all the true freshman in the last 20 years here that had more than 300 yards receiving as a true freshman? Very risky proposition IMO.

I don't want to do anything. I'm stating the fact that our WR corp is a big concern going into this season. Some people want to say "We'll be great because we have Leblanc and Bernard" leading us this season but I don't see where they've really proven that they can be relied upon so much that we're not concerned. I don't want to sound down on these guys but I also know what we've gotten from them thus far and Leblanc has unfortunately regressed it almost seems over the years.

[Big Poppa]

I don't want to do anything. I'm stating the fact that our WR corp is a big concern going into this season. Some people want to say "We'll be great because we have Leblanc and Bernard" leading us this season but I don't see where they've really proven that they can be relied upon so much that we're not concerned. I don't want to sound down on these guys but I also know what we've gotten from them thus far and Leblanc has unfortunately regressed it almost seems over the years.

Not necessarily LeBlanc had steadily progressed every year under Napier. It wasn’t until last year that he went backwards some. And it’s not that he and others weren’t running wide open they just weren’t targeted. It was obvious we lost our offensive mind last year that was running the O and drawing it up in previous years.

And I wasn’t saying we gonna be great because of Peter and Jacob I was simply asking why you skipped right over JC guys and guys who have been here working while they wait behind Peter, MJ, Stevens,Rogers, Fleming, and Bernard and said we need the true freshman to step up to have success. We have some talent that’s been here for a year or 2 now ready to step in. We don’t necessarily have to have a true freshman do it. You still didn’t answer my question how many true freshman in the last 10 years or so has had more than 3 or 4 hundred yards receiving?

[Big Poppa]

I will because we had 3 NFL running backs on that team who accounted over 50% of the team's overall offense and one of the best defenses ever at this school.

Yes. What’s your point? Run the ball and play defense is the formula to championship football. But you not gonna run it every play.

[Datt Meggs]

I will because we had 3 NFL running backs on that team who accounted over 50% of the team's overall offense and one of the best defenses ever at this school.

None of those running backs are in the NFL

[Turbine]

None of those running backs are in the NFL

"are" is not the claim

[Datt Meggs]

"are" is not the claim

Ok and none of them WERE in the nfl either. 2 are still in college and 1 is in the xfl. Will they be one day? Who knows