Louisiana Can't Escape the Will Wade Saga

[Cajun90]

Yeah, agreed for the most part. I guess by revenues I meant for the P5/SEC, not directly for the NCAA....but I think they will do a lot to protect the revenue for either of those two.

So do you agree with the self-imposed pentalites I listed? Do you think the NCAA will hand them even stiffer ones?

Keep in mind that "self imposed" penalties don't just come out of thin air. They are actually listed in NCAA guidelines. So the way it typically works is that a joint investigation is done by the school and the NCAA Committee on Infractions. That committee consist of volunteers from various NCAA institutions as well as persons with legal expertise. See link for committee members. http://www.ncaa.org/ncaa-division-i-...actions-roster

Once the investigation into potential violations is complete the offending organization works with the NCAA COI to determine a path forward. There are four different tracks from this stage which can be taken.
The most common of which is a negotiated resolution. This is the most common method used when an offending organization finds wrong doing on the part of the organization. The organization and COI work together on the complete report including wrong doing, penalites etc. There is a defined structure for penalties so the COI and the offending organization have a prescriptive set of rules to follow. There is no appeal for a negotiated resolution. Second most utilized is a Summary Disposition Track where a report about facts and levels is agreed to and a hearing before the COI happens and the COI determines penalties. This is the only track that allows for penalties to be appealed and rarely is an organization successful on appeal.

The other two options involve a lot of time and money and the COI have final say on penalties anyway. Most organizations that choose one of these paths do so because they figure it can't get any worse but they are usually wrong. The COI doesn't take kindly to organizations who they view as being uncooperative.

Here is an example of penalties given to Brigham Young for a booster giving 12K to a student athlete. If the allegations involving little Willy are true expect them to far exceed the below.

Two years of probation from Nov. 9, 2018, through Nov. 8, 2020.
A vacation of records in which the student-athlete participated while ineligible. (2 yrs)
A reduction of one men’s basketball scholarship, served during the earliest possible academic year (self-imposed by the university).
Recruiting restrictions detailed in the public report.
A disassociation of one of the boosters (self-imposed by the university).
A $5,000 fine (self-imposed by the university).


By the way I know the perception is that the big conferences get away with things that smaller conferences get hammered for but that isn't really the case. For example the NCAA COI list 23 major infractions for the SBC and 73 for the SEC (most of all conferences)

[Professor]

There’s a very small chance that this may be the case, but it’s a VERY small chance.

If there wasn’t more to this case than we already know, Wade probably wouldn’t be suspended. Also, it was Wade’s lawyers who told him not to show up to that meeting with F King and Alleva. That’s very telling.

Agreed totally but why not just fire him then?? I think it’s because they know If it’s not 100 percent they gotta pay a huge buyout

[ULvictory]

Agreed totally but why not just fire him then?? I think it’s because they know If it’s not 100 percent they gotta pay a huge buyout

Well, the NCAA hasnt started a full investigation quite yet. I think they’re waiting for the evidence to come out because then they can fire him for cause and definitely won’t have to pay his buyout.

[Professor]

Well, the NCAA hasnt started a full investigation quite yet. I think they’re waiting for the evidence to come out because then they can fire him for cause and definitely won’t have to pay his buyout.

Right but if they know he’s guilty now then why wait. That’s my question or maybe they aren’t quite as sure as some of us here thus just the suspension

[LaCajunsFan]

Keep in mind that "self imposed" penalties don't just come out of thin air. They are actually listed in NCAA guidelines. So the way it typically works is that a joint investigation is done by the school and the NCAA Committee on Infractions. That committee consist of volunteers from various NCAA institutions as well as persons with legal expertise. See link for committee members. http://www.ncaa.org/ncaa-division-i-...actions-roster

Once the investigation into potential violations is complete the offending organization works with the NCAA COI to determine a path forward. There are four different tracks from this stage which can be taken.
The most common of which is a negotiated resolution. This is the most common method used when an offending organization finds wrong doing on the part of the organization. The organization and COI work together on the complete report including wrong doing, penalites etc. There is a defined structure for penalties so the COI and the offending organization have a prescriptive set of rules to follow. There is no appeal for a negotiated resolution. Second most utilized is a Summary Disposition Track where a report about facts and levels is agreed to and a hearing before the COI happens and the COI determines penalties. This is the only track that allows for penalties to be appealed and rarely is an organization successful on appeal.

The other two options involve a lot of time and money and the COI have final say on penalties anyway. Most organizations that choose one of these paths do so because they figure it can't get any worse but they are usually wrong. The COI doesn't take kindly to organizations who they view as being uncooperative.

Here is an example of penalties given to Brigham Young for a booster giving 12K to a student athlete. If the allegations involving little Willy are true expect them to far exceed the below.

Two years of probation from Nov. 9, 2018, through Nov. 8, 2020.
A vacation of records in which the student-athlete participated while ineligible. (2 yrs)
A reduction of one men's basketball scholarship, served during the earliest possible academic year (self-imposed by the university).
Recruiting restrictions detailed in the public report.
A disassociation of one of the boosters (self-imposed by the university).
A $5,000 fine (self-imposed by the university).


By the way I know the perception is that the big conferences get away with things that smaller conferences get hammered for but that isn't really the case. For example the NCAA COI list 23 major infractions for the SBC and 73 for the SEC (most of all conferences)

This is great info...thanks for taking the time to post it.

[LaCajunsFan]

Oh I agree but ncaa has messed up some investigations. I guess we’lll know more about his fate when the trial happens. If the tapes are even allowed into evidence this time but it certainly doesn’t look good for the bastard

But aren't you confusing the trial vs the ncaa/lsu investigations? I cannot see a scenario where the tapes won't be a huge and central part of the invistigations.

[Cajun90]

Right but if they know he’s guilty now then why wait. That’s my question or maybe they aren’t quite as sure as some of us here thus just the suspension

For one thing firing him would make it more difficult to try and get answers from him. Something the NCAA isn't going to like. It has also been said that the FBI told the NCAA to basically stand down until we finish up our business.

His suspension allows LSU to maintain at least some apperance of control over Wade for the time being. Lawyers are always going to want to cross t's and dot i's as well. Don't think it will take long either. I don't know of any employee who stayed on the payroll for long after refusing to meet with their boss.

Even if the only thing that ever comes forward is the latest tape and the FBI and NCAA were to find nothing I can't imagine a school keeping a head coach around with that hanging over his head.

[CajunEXPRESS]

Offer can be anything. Strong ___ offer playing with lots of talent in front of your home town and family. But harder to explain maybe the agent unhappy with his cut vs moms.

[ULvictory]

Offer can be anything. Strong ___ offer playing with lots of talent in front of your home town and family. But harder to explain maybe the agent unhappy with his cut vs moms.

When he mentioned the mom, I knew he was toast. Anyone who understands recruiting knows what that means. The problem is that the naive State fans don’t want admit that.

[Professor]

But aren't you confusing the trial vs the ncaa/lsu investigations? I cannot see a scenario where the tapes won't be a huge and central part of the invistigations.

The ncaa is coming in after the trial but what if the tapes are suspect with the context etc( not saying they are just playing devils advocate) and that’s all they got. We’ve seen ncaa screw up some investigation ie miami and Unc