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    The thread about NCAA funding has led to much doom & gloom.

    1) Who has the most impact per dollar? Forget the Bubas Cup, where the 6 traditional track events each weigh as much as football. For visibility, who currently leads the 'Belt?

    2) There has been a lot of talk about students paying "more fees." Ever since the Jindalian Disaster,* the bulk of our money comes from tuitions. Direct fees may be low, but indirect fees through tuitions are among the highest in the 'Belt.

    3) Someone brought up the 'workforce development' argument, that we should get rid of degrees and courses that don't directly train workers for the workforce.

    ..a) Which workforce? The data is clear that in the future workers will change, not just jobs, but careers, repeatedly, and at an accelerated pace. The point is, we need to stop thinking in terms of the 'applied' disciplines, because they don't train us to re-train. We don't even want to talk exclusively about the sciences, because the sciences teach us to work within a paradigm. Only the liberal arts train us to be perspectivalist in our thinking. (For those of you interested in Kuhn v Popper, Popper sounds better, but the evidence-- the *ahem* data-- shows Kuhn was right.)

    ..b) Dictators want workforce development, because broad mental training (again, perspectivalism) produces people who question the tyrant. In a democracy, we need more, we need citizen-force development, to produce people who can use the different approaches of different disciplines to analyze the world around us. Again, the sciences don't do that.
    ....i) Trust me, I'm a doctor.
    ....ii) Back off, man, I'm a scientist.

    4) I haven't checked in the last few years, but as of about 10 years ago, most politicians in Louisiana were no longer lawyers.

    5) All of this demonstrates a major pitfall of the 'football mentality': everything has to be ranked, and we must be highly ranked in everything... which, ironically, is a good example of why we need perspectivalist thinking. Example: We want to say we have the most faculty, right?

    Or do we want the lowest faculty, so that our funding per faculty, and our PhD production per faculty, go up? Again, we need to think flexibly, analytically, perspectivally.

    5) We're blowing off the lid in research, and remember, we aren't here to play ball games. Intermural athletics exist, and only exist, to further the University's mission. So do we really want to argue that we should put more money into auxiliary concerns, rather than invest in our core industry?

    Would you run your own business that way?

    So again, despite the many poor role models we find around us, UL ain't here to play ball games.

    Nor to make up for the feelings of inadequacy in our own lives (and yes, I suffer from the same inadequacies... )

    *For any of you Roman History buffs, see 'the Varian Disaster.'


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    Intra STING.

    Good perspective Joe.


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    Once again, Dr. Fun takes the show . . . Listen to this guy . . . His No BS perspectives are on point . . . My hero, Dr. Fun . . .


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    Lol... For LSU, the cuts have meant putting the school’s aspirations to greatness on ice, rather than actually shrinking its budget.
    Wow yep a disaster!

    https://hechingerreport.org/the-deva...tion-the-most/


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    When I consider funding and student fees, I look at why students attend a four-year university. Most are looking for a degree that will open a door to better career opportunities and this is related to higher earnings over their lifetime. Attending a university is an investment and an expensive one, with an expected return on investment (higher earnings).

    Rising attendance costs lead many students to a mix of financial aid with increasing reliance on student loans to fill the gap. An individual saddled with thousands of dollars in student loans is seeing their return on investment delayed and with rising costs of living their outlook is poor. As much as we love UL athletics, we need to be mindful of increases in tuition and fees and the impact they have on all students and potential students. The desired outcome for most students is a degree leading to higher earnings, attending NCAA athletic events is lagniappe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RaginCajun77 View Post
    When I consider funding and student fees, I look at why students attend a four-year university. Most are looking for a degree that will open a door to better career opportunities and this is related to higher earnings over their lifetime. Attending a university is an investment and an expensive one, with an expected return on investment (higher earnings).

    Rising attendance costs lead many students to a mix of financial aid with increasing reliance on student loans to fill the gap. An individual saddled with thousands of dollars in student loans is seeing their return on investment delayed and with rising costs of living their outlook is poor. As much as we love UL athletics, we need to be mindful of increases in tuition and fees and the impact they have on all students and potential students. The desired outcome for most students is a degree leading to higher earnings, attending NCAA athletic events is lagniappe.
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    Students asses themselves all types of fees for improved quality of life. If you ask students of aspiring schools, they enjoy the amenities of sports.

    This is a UL sports message board for true fans. We can all work together as students, alumni, administration, and the community to advance our university’s athletic mission.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SMD7636 View Post
    Students asses themselves all types of fees for improved quality of life. If you ask students of aspiring schools, they enjoy the amenities of sports.

    This is a UL sports message board for true fans. We can all work together as students, alumni, administration, and the community to advance our university’s athletic mission.
    They aren't attending the games in large numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunFun View Post
    They aren't attending the games in large numbers.
    Administration doesn't do much to encourage attendance. Heck in football they try their best to run them off.

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    I never used most student services offered by my fees, including Lagniappe Day, but I can assure you part of my fees paid for this lavish party. I did, however, attend the memorable UL-Texas A&M football game at Cajun Field.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunFun View Post
    They aren't attending the games in large numbers.
    Perhaps UL should phase out sports and devote the savings for academics. Maybe they won’t lose alumni, and student’s because not many students attend sports anyway. But they will lose me and anything I plan on leaving because after all my diploma was strictly a business decision.

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    College Athletics is a part of a well rounded and memerable college experience...it has its value. Don't believe me? My wife graduated from UNC Greensboro in the mid 70's...she hated it and feels her 4 years of college was largely a wasted 4 years. She feels her degree is worthless...


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