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Thread: SB 2023: Regional Hosting or Not? NOT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    Optimization of one's schedule does not make the entire season invalid.

    You cannot manufacture a high RPI by playing a weak schedule, that would not be an optimized schedule.

    RPI takes the entire schedule into consideration, and if enough dominance exists in an optimized overall solid schedule and it propels you into a top-16 RPI, it should not be ignored.
    You are making extreme statements that I did not make.

    You can certainly optimize your schedule to where you can achieve an RPI ranking considerably higher than your strength/worth. Just like you can have an RPI ranking that discounts your strength. This is what I am saying. And because of this ... the shortcomings of the RPI system itself ... you cannot rely on it alone.

    And BTW, you can manufacture an RPI ranking that is much higher than the RPI rankings of the teams that are on your schedule. I can fabricate a schedule without a single team in the RPI Top 50 that would result in a Top 16 RPI ranking ... while still only losing 8% -> 10% of your games. This does nothing to prove that you are a Top 16 team. This is a significant problem in the system.

    Brian

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    Espn 1420.com. Or “The Goat” has a Twitter clip


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    That guy with all the facts never seems to have the right fact.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneGolfin View Post
    You are making extreme statements that I did not make.

    You can certainly optimize your schedule to where you can achieve an RPI ranking considerably higher than your strength/worth. Just like you can have an RPI ranking that discounts your strength. This is what I am saying. And because of this ... the shortcomings of the RPI system itself ... you cannot rely on it alone.

    And BTW, you can manufacture an RPI ranking that is much higher than the RPI rankings of the teams that are on your schedule. I can fabricate a schedule without a single team in the RPI Top 50 that would result in a Top 16 RPI ranking ... while still only losing 8% -> 10% of your games. This does nothing to prove that you are a Top 16 team. This is a significant problem in the system.

    Brian
    I understand completely what you’re saying,Brian. It’s crystal clear that the top 25 RPI record did them in. I also understand the players disgust as well. What I’m wondering is how the coaches didn’t realize that record would be such a detriment. Were they simply thinking that the RPI alone would carry a much greater weight? Surely the coaches are aware that we’ve never gotten the benefit of the doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneGolfin View Post
    You are making extreme statements that I did not make.
    I usually try to put a persons key words in quotes.

    I'm sorry if I implied that you said that, I was attempting to address double bonus.

    The Committee said as much in crediting certain host seeds with an "optimized" top-11 win over Louisiana, only to subsequently after dispensing the double bonus, state: 'No Louisiana, you are most certainly not top-11 team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneGolfin View Post
    Turbine, RPI does not take every fact into consideration. RPI is a very poor measuring stick, but we are still stuck with it. I have explained ad nauseum over the years how you can game the RPI system to manufacture a very high RPI rank. You can manufacture a high ranking (optimizing your schedule) even without beating a single Top 25 team. In this situation, you are overrated relative to your RPI ranking. This is why you simply cannot make seeding decisions on RPI alone.

    Brian
    I understand the need to tweak the importance of a stat as well as the idea that a metric can be over or under inflated and needs to be adjusted.

    What 'fact' that has no current presence in the RPI would you suggest needs to be added?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneGolfin View Post
    You are making extreme statements that I did not make.

    You can certainly optimize your schedule to where you can achieve an RPI ranking considerably higher than your strength/worth. Just like you can have an RPI ranking that discounts your strength. This is what I am saying. And because of this ... the shortcomings of the RPI system itself ... you cannot rely on it alone.

    And BTW, you can manufacture an RPI ranking that is much higher than the RPI rankings of the teams that are on your schedule. I can fabricate a schedule without a single team in the RPI Top 50 that would result in a Top 16 RPI ranking ... while still only losing 8% -> 10% of your games. This does nothing to prove that you are a Top 16 team. This is a significant problem in the system.

    Brian
    Dude, you're a genius. I always enjoy your posts. Thanks for al the valuable information you put out Brian.

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    So, I've done a little bit of research & I like where UL sits in the bracket. From what I see UL should be hosting this regional though. LSU should be coming here. But at least they give us a chance to get to OKC. And once these Cajuns get there, they have a shot. I'll also be pulling for Central Arkansas. They have have a decent shot to get there as well. Go Cajuns!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneGolfin View Post
    Turbine, RPI does not take every fact into consideration. RPI is a very poor measuring stick, but we are still stuck with it....
    Granted, but as the measuring stick used, every fact used to determine the top 10 and top 25 is in the RPI.

    Then to ignore RPI calculation #11 and say it is wrong... is wrong.

    I wonder how many on the committee knew or know that Louisiana had a shot at RPI #6 going in to the conference tournaments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandwagon King View Post
    So, I've done a little bit of research & I like where UL sits in the bracket. From what I see UL should be hosting this regional though. LSU should be coming here. But at least they give us a chance to get to OKC. And once these Cajuns get there, they have a shot. I'll also be pulling for Central Arkansas. They have have a decent shot to get there as well. Go Cajuns!!!
    I hate LSU, but you know nothing about college softball. In no way should LSU be coming to Lafayette.

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