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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    I think he's saying the good product on the field is the ROI.
    I get what he is saying. But for instance St Judes Hospital is a charity my wife and I give to every year. We expect nothing in return. We give because they do good work and produce a good product. I they didn't we wouldn't give. That is a charity with ROI also. Same for Tunnel to Towers. All charity's have some ROI or expectation attached to them or you wouldn't give.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KajunKrazy View Post
    I get what he is saying. But for instance St Judes Hospital is a charity my wife and I give to every year. We expect nothing in return. We give because they do good work and produce a good product. I they didn't we wouldn't give. That is a charity with ROI also. Same for Tunnel to Towers. All charity's have some ROI or expectation attached to them or you wouldn't give.
    We'll just have to disagree on that. Giving to a cause is different than giving for a result. I don't need trinkets and stroking either. But I do expect my (and your) donations to produce good leadership, upward mobility for student-athletes, updated facilities, communal experiences for residents, better educational opportunities for regular students, academic advancement, world class research, healthier endowment, funding scholarships, etc etc etc.

    Success in athletics is a unique catch-all to accomplish all of these goals. Which to me, is a result, not a cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KajunKrazy View Post
    I get what he is saying. But for instance St Judes Hospital is a charity my wife and I give to every year. We expect nothing in return. We give because they do good work and produce a good product. I they didn't we wouldn't give. That is a charity with ROI also. Same for Tunnel to Towers. All charity's have some ROI or expectation attached to them or you wouldn't give.
    Like MAT said, my version of ROI is good play on the field like you mentioned when it comes to conference championships and competing at a high level. So technically, you are expecting something in return in that regard. You're expecting success.

    If we treated UL athletics like a charity, the success on the field wouldn't matter. It wouldn't matter when a coach doesn't win even though part of your donation may go to his/her salary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ULvictory View Post
    Like MAT said, my version of ROI is good play on the field like you mentioned when it comes to conference championships and competing at a high level. So technically, you are expecting something in return in that regard. You're expecting success.

    If we treated UL athletics like a charity, the success on the field wouldn't matter.
    St Jude is a 100% charitable organization are you suggesting their success does not matter? Their ROI is a hell of a lot more meaningful than sports. UL could only dream of running it's athletic department like that charitable organization.

    Tunnel to Towers is another. The word charity isn't a bad word in this case and many are successful and put out a great product. UL should try and model themselves after these fundraisers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KajunKrazy View Post
    St Jude is a 100% charitable organization are you suggesting their success does not matter? Their ROI is a hell of a lot more meaningful than sports.
    Not even close to the same thing. Again, St. Jude = Cause. RCAF = Result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    Not even close to the same thing. Again, St. Jude = Cause. RCAF = Result.
    Last I checked curing sick kids is getting results. If they weren't successful at getting those results, they wouldn't continue to get the donations they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KajunKrazy View Post
    Last I checked curing sick kids is getting results. If they weren't successful at getting those results, they wouldn't continue to get the donations they do.
    You can choose to look at it however you like.
    Even if their results dipped, you'd continue to give because you believe in the cause.
    If you continue to shell out thousands with expectation of a good product on the field/court, facilities, etc, and no return, you're just not a good steward of your money. I bet you weren't giving much, if anything, during the toothpick years. No one was. Why? Because the product and subsequent result was abysmal. That would never happen with St. Jude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    We'll just have to disagree on that. Giving to a cause is different than giving for a result. I don't need trinkets and stroking either. But I do expect my (and your) donations to produce good leadership, upward mobility for student-athletes, updated facilities, communal experiences for residents, better educational opportunities for regular students, academic advancement, world class research, healthier endowment, funding scholarships, etc etc etc.

    Success in athletics is a unique catch-all to accomplish all of these goals. Which to me, is a result, not a cause.
    OK. Agree with every thing you are saying here. Better things for the student athletes. But my comments were made because people were complaining about the tangible things they did not receive as RCAF members. Those are the things that aren't important to me. Facilities, coaches, support staff, nutrition, supplements, things that make the athletes better is what I care about. Not me getting gifts for my donation. That was my point.

    The reason I equated it to a charity for example is just this morning I wrote my annual 132 dollar check to Tunnel to Towers. 11 dollars per month as they ask for. I don't receive anything physically for that, but I can see the smart houses they are building for our disabled vets. Just like I don't need anything physical for my RCAF donation but I like to see winners and new facilities and so on.... That was my only point when making the charity comparison, I don't have to receive any physical trinkets but I do like to see the results of my donations. Hope that's more clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    You can choose to look at it however you like.
    Even if their results dipped, you'd continue to give because you believe in the cause.
    If you continue to shell out thousands with expectation of a good product on the field/court, facilities, etc, and no return, you're just not a good steward of your money. I bet you weren't giving much, if anything, during the toothpick years. No one was. Why? Because the product and subsequent result was abysmal. That would never happen with St. Jude.
    There was no foundation during tooth pick years. I did have my 4 season tickets and my tailgating spot knowing that he was temporary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KajunKrazy View Post
    OK. Agree with every thing you are saying here. Better things for the student athletes. But my comments were made because people were complaining about the tangible things they did not receive as RCAF members. Those are the things that aren't important to me. Facilities, coaches, support staff, nutrition, supplements, things that make the athletes better is what I care about. Not me getting gifts for my donation. That was my point.

    The reason I equated it to a charity for example is just this morning I wrote my annual 132 dollar check to Tunnel to Towers. 11 dollars per month as they ask for. I don't receive anything physically for that, but I can see the smart houses they are building for our disabled vets. Just like I don't need anything physical for my RCAF donation but I like to see winners and new facilities and so on.... That was my only point when making the charity comparison, I don't have to receive any physical trinkets but I do like to see the results of my donations. Hope that's more clear.
    This is pretty much how I would've answered your previous question to me. We want to see results based on what we give. Like MAT said (and it was a good point), the Cause vs. Result distinction is what matters here.

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