Podcast GSS: Jay Walker (10-18-22)

[CajunVic]

Neither (a)I might lose one if I don’t play both or (b) I’m really not sure which gives us the best chance to win right now . . . constitute feelings . . . I believe any conjecture other than these two are nothing more than message board fodder . . . Undisclosed sources has always been the worlds mechanism for lending credibility to things that are otherwise not credible . . . But have at it gentlemen, for this is a fan message board, isn’t it . . .

[Bandwagon King]

Ben is not a P5 QB and Chandler is not Baldwin level. Ben looks to be a better fit for us now with our OL troubles, but it’s silly to elevate one so high and degrade the other just to ram home a point you have made over and over. One I might add most probably agree with. Ben should start for the foreseeable future.

I didn't say Balwin era. I said coming out of the Baldwin era. Hint Jerry Babb. Nothing wrong with the guy. he was a great leader. But his upside was limited. This program is supposed to have progressed to where we have a higher spot on the food chain. That's because we do. And you're trying to make it sound like I hate Chandler. I don't hate young man at all. I think he has paid his dues & is doing the best he possibly can. And you're out of your mind if you don't see the talent difference.

[RaginDave]

And people need to quit this crap about equal talent. Chandler is a nice little QB That would have been a great recruit coming out of the Baldwin era when you had a hard time signing players. Ben is potentially a BIG time P-5 talent with a big arm & strong as a bull. The guy reminds me of another Ben that played for Miami of Ohio about 20 years ago. There is no comparing the upside on the one versus the upside on the other. And Mike well knows this. He just needed to see it in game action. If he can get that sorry excuse of a running game untracked with Ben as the QB & this defense, this team might not get to be ranked top 20. But it will be able to take on just about any team in this country & go toe to toe with them. And they will be the best team in this conference by far when this season is finished.

There is no way Ben is potentially a big time P5 talent and Chandler is much more than a Baldwin recruit. I hate for facts to get in the way, but people who know more about recruiting than you and me would disagree with you. Coming out of HS, BW was a 2 Star .77 rated recruit that only had interest from Fresno State and really as more of a Preferred Walk on while Chandler Fields was a 3 star .8444 recruit with offers from UL and Memphis and interest from Arizona State and Oklahoma State. Out of HS their was more of a thought that CF was going to be more successful as a college D-1 FBS QB than BW and that is 100% fact. That is not saying that BW didn't have talent and might not succeed, but very few of the scouting services saw it the way you do and I will trust them more than you or me. Not saying they are perfect, but they are more right than wrong when it comes to these things.

Ben has improved tremendously and had a chance to start at Fresno but lost the job and had a chance to start at UL and lost the job, so not only did recruiting services disagree with you but so did the following Head Football Coaches....Billy Napier, CMD, Jeff Tetford. Oh by the way, one of those guys is considered one of the best QB coaches in football and the other two played the position at a very high level. So basing BW on one and a half games is not what any of us should do, it should be on his body of work. Right now he performed admirably in the last couple of opportunities but the reality is he has not proven it over a long period of time and I am not saying he won't, I am just saying he hasn't.

I trust Billy Napier naming CF the backup last year, I trust Jeff Tetford choosing Jake Haener over Ben and I trust CMD in seeing what he saw between the two. It is possible that Ben does not perform well in practice and could be spectacular in games, I remember a number of coaches saying the same thing about a guy named Jake Delhomme. In fact coaches here and in the NFL said the guy just does it when the lights come on, but he is not a very good practice QB.

That could very well be the case with BW and I hope it is. We have to give the guy more than 1-1/2 quarters of football vs USA and Marshall before we state that BW should be starting on a P5 roster. I hope you are correct, but I will tell you from what I have seen all season I don't think their is a clear wide difference at this point between the two. I could look at parts of the SLU, EMU and ULM games and tell you that CF is clearly the better QB or I could look at the last game vs Marshall and tell you that BW is clearly the better QB. Based on what we have seen so far we have two good, capable QB's, but until we see it for an extended period of time, I am not ready to say that BW is heads and shoulders better than CF. I hope that Ben comes out Saturday and throws for 300+ yards and 4+ TD's and no INT's. If he does that then I can admit I might have been wrong and I think the Cajuns win running away. But lets not crown the fellow the greatest of all time after one very good solid game.

Again, I have pointed out in multiple threads the mistakes that BW made in that game that would have turned a very good game into a great game.

I hate to hit you with facts and not just spouting of nonsense, but unfortunately that is the way I work.

I will also say this, as for you calling me Ragin' Jay. I would consider Jay and myself friends, but I would also say this. Jay and I disagree on a number of things and we have discussed those plenty of times. I would say we disagree more than we agree. I would say that about a number of people I consider friends on this board. That is what makes being a fan so special. We can agree and we can disagree about things we are passionate about, but at the end of the day we all want the same thing. A "W" on the scoreboard no matter how it happens.

Sorry for the long post, RPers, but I felt I needed to say a few things.

[CajunVic]

Ben should be the starter until history repeats itself, again . . . then Chandler will get another chance . . .

[Bandwagon King]

Blah! Blah! Freaking Blah! You can keep the first paragraph because that means nothing to me, or anyone else who has followed the game for 50 plus years. The NFL Hall Of Fame is littered from top to freaking bottom with guys who were not highly recruited and In many cases not recruited at all. Any moron can look at Leonard Fournette & see that he was a can't miss. It takes a real talent evaluator to look at a Jerry Rice, or Walter Payton & say that guy is going to be special. So your first chapter is pig ____.

Your second chapter is Irrelevant because the only thing Napier did was recruit the guy along with Mike. And NONE of us have any idea what the situation was at Freso State so you can place that rant in file 13. And you can throw the last part of your rant in the trash can because if there is one thing you & Jay have in common, you're both major suck ups & hate it when you feel your "monopoly as an authoritian of knowledge" is being invaded.

[RaginDave]

Blah! Blah! Freaking Blah! You can keep the first paragraph because that means nothing to me. The NFL Hall Of Fame is littered from top to freaking bottom with guys who were not highly recruited and In many cases not recruited at all. Any moron can look at Leonard Fournette & see that he was a can't miss. It takes a real talent evaluator to look at a Jerry Rice, or Walter Payton & say that guy is going to be special. So your first chapter is pig ____.

Your second chapter is Irrelevant because the only thing Napier did was recruit the guy long with Mike. And NONE of us have any idea what the situation was at Freso State so you can place that rant in file 13. And you can throw the last part of your rant in the trash can because if there is one thing you & Jay have in common, you're both major suck ups & hate it when you feel your "monopoly as an authority of knowledge" is being invaded.

We do know the situation at Fresno State, because anyone with a keyboard and a brain can look it up. He was in a battle for the starting job with Jake Haener and he lost out to him as Jeff Tetford said that JH gave them a better chance to win. We do know what happened here as you said that Billy Napier just recruited him, that is false as well, CF beat BW out as the backup QB at UL. If LEVI, not Levy, was asked to leave the game (injury, helmet coming off, etc) CF was the backup, not BW. And coach Napier did not ask him to hand the ball off, he asked him to throw the ball.

I am a suckup to no one. I speak my mind always, sometimes to a fault. That being said, like I said before we can agree to disagree on a lot of things. I don't dislike you, you are who you are. I just think some/most of your takes are off base, but I appreciate your passion.

As far as the recruiting services go, I agree with you. They are not right all the time, I was just pointing out that his 3 college coaches and most recruiting services have not seen this the way you have and I trust these people more than some guy behind a keyboard.

[LouisianaB]

None of this would be happening had we just slept in the dorms during fall camp!

[CajunVic]

None of this would be happening had we just slept in the dorms during fall camp!

That is another good one, but that is all it is . . .

[RaginDave]

None of this would be happening had we just slept in the dorms during fall camp!

Ha Ha, that is funny, good take.

[CajunVic]

None of this would be happening had we just slept in the dorms during fall camp!

So . . . it's not about feelings . . .

[LouisianaB]

So . . . it's not about feelings . . .

Feelings are for girls.

[CajunVic]

Feelings are for girls.

I had a feeling this would show up . . . was just not sure when . . .