Podcast GSS: Jay Walker (10-18-22)

[KajunKrazy]

I don’t see anything about feelings in there article . . .

Do you always add 2+2 and get 6? I don't think I ever suggested the article said anything about feelings. I simply said Ben is no stranger to a tight competition in camp that came down to the wire in which he ran a close 2nd.

[CajunVic]

Do you always add 2+2 and get 6? I don't think I ever suggested the article said anything about feelings. I simply said Ben is no stranger to a tight competition in camp that came down to the wire in which he ran a close 2nd.

You also mentioned feelings. What was that about?

[CajunVic]

When chandler was first announced as the starter at the end camp there was no plan for this 2 QB rotation. It is a direct result of Bens reaction to the news. The meeting was had just before the fan day celebration. Ben sat in his seat arms folded and did not engage with the fans or sign autographs for the kids. He just sat and pouted. It was after that reaction this 2 QB system came into place. I was there personally to see how he was acting. And a very good source with in the program who told me that is exactly what went down.

Looks like you just made that up. It’s like most of the things here on this subject . . . Especially that CMD was ever running a two QB system . . .

[Big Poppa]

Ben has been there before.

https://collegian.csufresno.edu/2020...training-camp/

Looking at stats in this year 2020 Ben has 16 attempts as the back up in the 2 games that he got into and the starter had 232 attempts in 6 games. It appeared to be a Covid shorten season. Their coach took the approach of the rest of the 99.99999% of college coaches after the close battle that went down to the very end of camp. Ours would have done an every 3rd series in this situation as we have seen. Why? Feelings nothing more than feelings.

[KajunKrazy]

You also mentioned feelings. What was that about?

BP hit the nail on the head. I would never reveal my sources on this board.

[Bandwagon King]

Chandlers first 2 drives against ulm is the most efficient this offense has looked this whole year. Pulling him completely changed the momentum of that game. Leave him in and he might have scored 4 times in a row rather than just 2 as he did. You never know.

And Mike will go back if he already hasn't & realize that was the biggest mistake of his college coaching career so far. Because the only reason he had this "system" in place to begin with was because he wanted a safety net in case he was wrong about Ben & Chandler. Instead he hesitated after the Rice game & Chandler went out & played just well enough with the scripted plays to make himself look as good as he was going to look all season against the worst team in the conference. Mike screwed up, but once again the Almighty bailed him out just like he's done with the weather twice now. I like Mike because God likes Mike. But I ain't gonna build a monument to him & worship him.

I understand what your point is. And you might be absolutely right. But we had no chance against USA with Chandler QBing. And we have much less of a chance with Chandler QBing than we have with Ben against a lot of teams. I'm telling you right now that Mike knows this, or he would have never done what he did to start. This would have been Chandler's team no ifs, ands, or buts. I can guarantee you if Levy were here we all would have known who was the starter day one.

[CajunVic]

Neither (a)I might lose one if I don’t play both or (b) I’m really not sure which gives us the best chance to win right now . . . constitute feelings . . . I believe any conjecture other than these two are nothing more than message board fodder . . . Undisclosed sources has always been the worlds mechanism for lending credibility to things that are otherwise not credible . . . But have at it gentlemen, for this is a fan message board, isn’t it . . .

[Bandwagon King]

Ben is not a P5 QB and Chandler is not Baldwin level. Ben looks to be a better fit for us now with our OL troubles, but it’s silly to elevate one so high and degrade the other just to ram home a point you have made over and over. One I might add most probably agree with. Ben should start for the foreseeable future.

I didn't say Balwin era. I said coming out of the Baldwin era. Hint Jerry Babb. Nothing wrong with the guy. he was a great leader. But his upside was limited. This program is supposed to have progressed to where we have a higher spot on the food chain. That's because we do. And you're trying to make it sound like I hate Chandler. I don't hate young man at all. I think he has paid his dues & is doing the best he possibly can. And you're out of your mind if you don't see the talent difference.

[RaginDave]

And people need to quit this crap about equal talent. Chandler is a nice little QB That would have been a great recruit coming out of the Baldwin era when you had a hard time signing players. Ben is potentially a BIG time P-5 talent with a big arm & strong as a bull. The guy reminds me of another Ben that played for Miami of Ohio about 20 years ago. There is no comparing the upside on the one versus the upside on the other. And Mike well knows this. He just needed to see it in game action. If he can get that sorry excuse of a running game untracked with Ben as the QB & this defense, this team might not get to be ranked top 20. But it will be able to take on just about any team in this country & go toe to toe with them. And they will be the best team in this conference by far when this season is finished.

There is no way Ben is potentially a big time P5 talent and Chandler is much more than a Baldwin recruit. I hate for facts to get in the way, but people who know more about recruiting than you and me would disagree with you. Coming out of HS, BW was a 2 Star .77 rated recruit that only had interest from Fresno State and really as more of a Preferred Walk on while Chandler Fields was a 3 star .8444 recruit with offers from UL and Memphis and interest from Arizona State and Oklahoma State. Out of HS their was more of a thought that CF was going to be more successful as a college D-1 FBS QB than BW and that is 100% fact. That is not saying that BW didn't have talent and might not succeed, but very few of the scouting services saw it the way you do and I will trust them more than you or me. Not saying they are perfect, but they are more right than wrong when it comes to these things.

Ben has improved tremendously and had a chance to start at Fresno but lost the job and had a chance to start at UL and lost the job, so not only did recruiting services disagree with you but so did the following Head Football Coaches....Billy Napier, CMD, Jeff Tetford. Oh by the way, one of those guys is considered one of the best QB coaches in football and the other two played the position at a very high level. So basing BW on one and a half games is not what any of us should do, it should be on his body of work. Right now he performed admirably in the last couple of opportunities but the reality is he has not proven it over a long period of time and I am not saying he won't, I am just saying he hasn't.

I trust Billy Napier naming CF the backup last year, I trust Jeff Tetford choosing Jake Haener over Ben and I trust CMD in seeing what he saw between the two. It is possible that Ben does not perform well in practice and could be spectacular in games, I remember a number of coaches saying the same thing about a guy named Jake Delhomme. In fact coaches here and in the NFL said the guy just does it when the lights come on, but he is not a very good practice QB.

That could very well be the case with BW and I hope it is. We have to give the guy more than 1-1/2 quarters of football vs USA and Marshall before we state that BW should be starting on a P5 roster. I hope you are correct, but I will tell you from what I have seen all season I don't think their is a clear wide difference at this point between the two. I could look at parts of the SLU, EMU and ULM games and tell you that CF is clearly the better QB or I could look at the last game vs Marshall and tell you that BW is clearly the better QB. Based on what we have seen so far we have two good, capable QB's, but until we see it for an extended period of time, I am not ready to say that BW is heads and shoulders better than CF. I hope that Ben comes out Saturday and throws for 300+ yards and 4+ TD's and no INT's. If he does that then I can admit I might have been wrong and I think the Cajuns win running away. But lets not crown the fellow the greatest of all time after one very good solid game.

Again, I have pointed out in multiple threads the mistakes that BW made in that game that would have turned a very good game into a great game.

I hate to hit you with facts and not just spouting of nonsense, but unfortunately that is the way I work.

I will also say this, as for you calling me Ragin' Jay. I would consider Jay and myself friends, but I would also say this. Jay and I disagree on a number of things and we have discussed those plenty of times. I would say we disagree more than we agree. I would say that about a number of people I consider friends on this board. That is what makes being a fan so special. We can agree and we can disagree about things we are passionate about, but at the end of the day we all want the same thing. A "W" on the scoreboard no matter how it happens.

Sorry for the long post, RPers, but I felt I needed to say a few things.

[CajunVic]

Ben should be the starter until history repeats itself, again . . . then Chandler will get another chance . . .