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    Default Re: Final G6: Louisiana 23, Marshall 13

    Quote Originally Posted by CajunT View Post
    I don't think the offensive line will get much better in some positions at this point. The experience will be great for Thomas, Gillie, Harrington and Jackson going in to next season.

    Outside of a healthy Chris Smith, I don't think the RB position will help improve the offensive line either. The backs simply don't have the ability to make defenders miss in space or make something out of nothing. That is where we greatly miss Johnson and Bailey.

    I think last night showed the formula to victory for this team going forward. Good game management and leadership from the QB in getting the football to your playmakers, running game by committee including the QB, aggressive defense up front, good special teams and opportunistic in creating turnovers.

    It sounds like a lot, but frankly we have lost too much talent on the offensive side of the football outside of the WR and TE position to improve much more this season. Execution is the key and less penalties.
    I disagree. I just finished rewatching the game & studying our offensive run blocking scheme. I can say beyond a doubt it sucks donkey balls. Our linemen are being asked to makes blocks they simply don't have the athleticism to make. That doesn't mean they can't over power their opposite number. But it does mean they can't be in a one technique spot & be expected to block a 3 technique defender when the ball is going to the three technique side of the field. If you ask a player to make a play he simply cannot make, you are doing nothing but exposing him & making him look worse than he is. And a lot of that is going on with this offensive line on play after play after play. Simply put, you are not putting the right hat on the hat it should block & asking to make the block. It's not gonna happen. And yet, our Offensive line coach is asking his offensive line to make this happen.

    On top of this we do precious little double teaming, absolutely no cross blocking & I have til yet to see an interior lineman attempt to pull for a play, or see a trap play run. IOW, our blocking scheme is is not only lazy as F---. It depends on the wrong guys trying to make blocks against their right guys to be successful. While I love our defensive coaches, our offensive line coach needs to be working at a bologna sandwich factory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandwagon King View Post
    I disagree. I just finished rewatching the game & studying our offensive run blocking scheme. I can say beyond a doubt it sucks donkey balls. Our linemen are being asked to makes blocks they simply don't have the athleticism to make. That doesn't mean they can't over power their opposite number. But it does mean they can't be in a one technique spot & be expected to block a 3 technique defender when the ball is going to the three technique side of the field. If you ask a player to make a play he simply cannot make, you are doing nothing but exposing him & making him look worse than he is. And a lot of that is going on with this offensive line on play after play after play. Simply put, you are not putting the right hat on the hat it should block & asking to make the block. It's not gonna happen. And yet, our Offensive line coach is asking his offensive line to make this happen.

    On top of this we do precious little double teaming, absolutely no cross blocking & I have til yet to see an interior lineman attempt to pull for a play, or see a trap play run. IOW, our blocking scheme is is not only lazy as F---. It depends on the wrong guys trying to make blocks against their right guys to be successful. While I love our defensive coaches, our offensive line coach needs to be working at a bologna sandwich factory.
    So you saying we need to see the possibilities in our problem(O Line)?

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    Default Re: Final G6: Louisiana 23, Marshall 13

    Quote Originally Posted by Bandwagon King View Post
    I disagree. I just finished rewatching the game & studying our offensive run blocking scheme. I can say beyond a doubt it sucks donkey balls. Our linemen are being asked to makes blocks they simply don't have the athleticism to make. That doesn't mean they can't over power their opposite number. But it does mean they can't be in a one technique spot & be expected to block a 3 technique defender when the ball is going to the three technique side of the field. If you ask a player to make a play he simply cannot make, you are doing nothing but exposing him & making him look worse than he is. And a lot of that is going on with this offensive line on play after play after play. Simply put, you are not putting the right hat on the hat it should block & asking to make the block. It's not gonna happen. And yet, our Offensive line coach is asking his offensive line to make this happen.

    On top of this we do precious little double teaming, absolutely no cross blocking & I have til yet to see an interior lineman attempt to pull for a play, or see a trap play run. IOW, our blocking scheme is is not only lazy as F---. It depends on the wrong guys trying to make blocks against their right guys to be successful. While I love our defensive coaches, our offensive line coach needs to be working at a bologna sandwich factory.
    Double teams to the second level and pulling guards help with our single back run scheme, but we seem to struggle to execute… the fact is the Oline is not that great…. We need 4 Torrences back lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mxpxfr690 View Post
    We need 4 Torrences back lol.
    We basically had that a couple of years ago. 3 OL who are currently starting in the NFL and another who is a likely AA and high draft pick. Not to mention the 3 NFL rbs on that same team.

    Pretty crazy. The bar was set high and hopefully we can get back to that

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    Quote Originally Posted by facelessjonmoon View Post
    We basically had that a couple of years ago. 3 OL who are currently starting in the NFL and another who is a likely AA and high draft pick. Not to mention the 3 NFL rbs on that same team.

    Pretty crazy. The bar was set high and hopefully we can get back to that
    Attempting to move the same bar with much lessor equipment will reveal what we are experiencing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UL_Cajuns View Post
    So you saying we need to see the possibilities in our problem(O Line)?
    I'm saying this offensive line coach is the issue. He's awful & therefore your line is awful. Just like your defensive backs are playing great. They aren't only playing great because they are al talented. they have someone making them play great as a unit.

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    Default Re: Final G6: Louisiana 23, Marshall 13

    Quote Originally Posted by mxpxfr690 View Post
    Double teams to the second level and pulling guards help with our single back run scheme, but we seem to struggle to execute… the fact is the Oline is not that great…. We need 4 Torrences back lol.
    How can you execute what you don't attempt? And the ask being put on these guys is almost impossible to execute. Very few linemen in the NFL can do the type of blocking the coaches are requiring these guys perform. And if they were SEC linemen trying to perform the same blocking schemes against SEC defenses they would be getting the same crappy results. That's why it doesn't matter who substitutes for whom. A good coach should have injected enough knowledge into his line by now to be able to make adjustments, but they can't make them, or are being told to continue the impossible. THEY ARE BEING COACHED TO FAIL. It's that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandwagon King View Post
    I'm saying this offensive line coach is the issue. He's awful & therefore your line is awful. Just like your defensive backs are playing great. They aren't only playing great because they are al talented. they have someone making them play great as a unit.
    Disagree BWK. If the OL Coach was truly awful, we would have seen zero improvement with the group over the season, which is not the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTails View Post
    Disagree BWK. If the OL Coach was truly awful, we would have seen zero improvement with the group over the season, which is not the case.
    Dude may or may not know OL play, but to say that group is awful is an over reach...Hard to tell watching straight line scrimmage TV to see what's going on...the secret to good OLine play is that all 5 (or 6 with TE) have to be in sync. Learning combo blocks is not as easy as it looks, and when you're up upgainst a stingy run defense...If you noticed, we rushed 30 yards (I think I'm right) above the average they've been giving up. Chris Smith would have eaten them alive bouncing to the outside...

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    Default Re: Final G6: Louisiana 23, Marshall 13

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTails View Post
    Disagree BWK. If the OL Coach was truly awful, we would have seen zero improvement with the group over the season, which is not the case.
    What improvement? Our backs are getting smashed at the LOS. The only "improvement" in our running game is we have a beast at the QB position who is willing himself to first downs to move the chains. We are still dealing with DEs who break our OTs down way too easily which another case of learning proper technique in pass rush. But I didn't want to even go there until they fix the running game which is a steaming pile of dung.

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