And now may I say thank you Dave. You have taught me more in one thread about how to access UL info than I had known in the previous 59 years of my life all together. I'm not being facetious. I'm being dead serious. And it's not that I'm necessarily lazy, although I wouldn't argue against that point. The bottom line is if you don't know, you don't know. And there are a LOT of folks who simply don't know.