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  1. #106

    Default Re: Cajundome Roof: Not much we can do about it

    1. we do not have some impossible climate that exists nowhere else that can't be dealt with

    2. Our climate and what is necessary to exist in it should be factored into this from the beginning. Someone mentioned above "don't build what you can't maintain". Exactly! There will ALWAYS be some other possible use for any public money that could be argued to be "more important". This attitude of "oh well, c'est la vie" that permiates our culture and leadership is one of the main reasons Louisiana is in the ____ poor state it's in by almost every measure.

    3. Seems like it's being handled. Good, and there should be no excuse for not keeping it clean in the future.

    Flame me or whatever, I'm right. Go almost anywhere else and witness the difference. And it's not because those places don't have their own unique climate and social challenges.

    The Evangeline Thruway through Lafayette is a microcosm of the state of Louisiana. It kills me that it's true, but it is 100% true.


  2. #107

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieK View Post
    1. we do not have some impossible climate that exists nowhere else that can't be dealt with

    2. Our climate and what is necessary to exist in it should be factored into this from the beginning. Someone mentioned above "don't build what you can't maintain". Exactly! There will ALWAYS be some other possible use for any public money that could be argued to be "more important". This attitude of "oh well, c'est la vie" that permiates our culture and leadership is one of the main reasons Louisiana is in the ____ poor state it's in by almost every measure.

    3. Seems like it's being handled. Good, and there should be no excuse for not keeping it clean in the future.

    Flame me or whatever, I'm right. Go almost anywhere else and witness the difference. And it's not because those places don't have their own unique climate and social challenges.

    The Evangeline Thruway through Lafayette is a microcosm of the state of Louisiana. It kills me that it's true, but it is 100% true.
    Sure can't flame you for telling the truth, IMO.

  3. #108

    Default Re: Cajundome Roof: Not much we can do about it

    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieK View Post
    2. Our climate and what is necessary to exist in it should be factored into this from the beginning. Someone mentioned above "don't build what you can't maintain". Exactly!
    As a buddy of mine likes to say, the architect who was chosen to build the Cajundome had never designed an arena before, and nobody ever saw the Cajundome and asked him to design another one.

    If there was ever a building that breaks the "don't build what you can't maintain" rule, it's the Cajundome. I've never seen so much wasted and poorly designed space in an arena.

  4. #109
    LouisianaB is online now Ragin Cajuns of Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns Fan for Sure

    Default Re: Not much we can do about it

    I asked some more question, which the folks at the CD quickly responded to.

    1983-84 original coating acrylic over the Carlisle EPDM Rubber Roof. (I don’t know its expected lifespan.)
    In 2003 (at about 20 years old) an Everest Coatings acrylic coating was put on the roof with a 10 year warranty (watertight, delamination, cracking, etc.)
    By 2008-2009, the acrylic coated roof was developing a large area of black covering of algae that many/most southern state roofs develop on the north, west, and east sides of the their structures.
    In 2011 The Cajundome paid about $22,000 - $25,000 to clean the roof and it began to look very bad again within 2 years.
    In 2013 the 10 year warranty of the 2003 coating was ending.
    By 2016 that product again had become very mildewed and “black” as well and looked horrible. Rather than spend the money to simply clean it, we wanted to recoat it.
    In 2014, as funding was going becoming available and as we began to research the options on the next coating to use, we learned that the Superdome was going to and/or had put a product type of PVDF Fluoropolymer Roof Coating System by a company called Quest Coatings that had warranted a 20 year Self Cleaning warranty for the Superdome that said the product would “self clean” and stay white for 20 years without having to be pressure washed.
    Up until that time, the Superdome had been paying something between $200,000 and $250,000 per year to clean the Superdome roof.
    With the Cajundome being another State-owned Building with a domed roof about 1/5 the size of the Superdome, we considered if the product is good for the Superdome, it should be good for the Cajundome. Thus, we worked toward trying to get the same product TYPE as the PVDF Fluoropolymer Roof Coating System.
    GAF Coatings purchased Quest Coatings around that design/bid process and said that while the PVDF Fluoropolymer Roof Coating System product was the same product considered the best option, GAF Coatings no longer provided the “20 year Clean Warranty” but with it being the same product, they told us it would perform as well and we assumed it would perform as well.
    The other products that had been in use in the previous recoatings had never offered a “clean” warranty.
    Also, neither us, nor the architects, nor the State of Louisiana Facility Planning and Control people have been able to find any subject matter experts that can definitively tell us if the problems are caused by application or product.

    We have opinions about that but cannot substantiate those opinions, nor find anyone who can.

    The State Roofing Specifications that were used for this and other roof projects has this language in the warranty description:
    Deficiencies to be covered by the warranty / guarantee will include but not be limited to :
    Failure to remain watertight.
    Damage or deterioration from ultraviolet radiation.
    Excessive chalking.
    Excessive fading or change in color.
    De-lamination.
    Separation from membrane and substrates.
    Cracking.
    Crazing.
    Blistering.
    Wind separation.
    Water Erosion.
    Failure to standing water on top of coating (note, standing water which generally stands more than 48-hours
    does not apply).
    Once the roof was recoated (completed March 2017) and after a lot of correspondence and consultation with attorneys, the Cajundome was finally able to get a fully executed, appropriately worded warranty that met the above specifications and protections PLUS an extra 2 year warranty from the company that applied the product to satisfy the specified requirements.
    Specifically:
    1. Why does it look so bad? Is it mold, mildew, etc?
    Phil's understanding of current issues is algae that turns black. It's greenish black when you get it wet and rub through the
    top surface.

    2. Why didn’t the seal last 10 years as Greg Davis said back in 2016 when it was redone?
    The “seal “has lasted and is still warranted for the appropriate protections. Additionally, when hurricane damage did cause problems or there were leaks found, GAF and/or Brazos Urethane has immediately responded to and repaired them.


    3. Was there a 20 year warranty when it was redone in 2016? if so, has the CD made a claim under that warranty?
    Yes. There is a 20 year warranty for waterproof, protection etc. but not for staying clean. It was SUPPOSED to stay clean by “self cleaning” but it was not warranted nor guaranteed to do that. No companies that we were aware of offered the "stay clean" warranty at the time the project was designed and bid in 2015-2016.
    Yes some claims have been made that the companies have responded to.

    OPINION: IF the roof coating did or does fail to meet the warranty conditions described in the specifications and actual warranty, then there would be a claim and it would be pursued) Of course the goal of cleaning it is to not ruin/void the current 20 year warranty (March 2017- March 2037.)

  5. #110

    Default Re: Cajundome Roof: Not much we can do about it

    Mais I tink we can spray some goo be gone and dat might work!


  6. #111

    Default Re: Cajundome Roof: Not much we can do about it

    LouisianaB with the investigative journalism. Someone get that man a desk at The Acadiana Advocate.


  7. #112

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    Quote Originally Posted by LouisianaB View Post
    I asked some more question, which the folks at the CD quickly responded to.
    Wow, you can't ask for a better response than this. Kudos to whoever replied to you.

    I'd be curious to know if there are arenas in our climate that don't have this problem. And if so, what membrane or coating are they using? I'm thinking specifically of the Toyota Center in Houston which is white and seems to be clean every time I've passed it. Also, how does the P-Mac in Baton Rouge fare?

  8. #113

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecajunitalian View Post
    Mais I tink we can spray some goo be gone and dat might work!
    Dis may work...Billy Mais-La. Oxi cotton clean

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCMRDp2mT6I

  9. #114

    Default Re: Not much we can do about it

    Quote Originally Posted by LouisianaB View Post
    I asked some more question, which the folks at the CD quickly responded to.
    Damn B, we need to get you a job at KATC. Way to go.

  10. #115

    Default Re: Cajundome Roof: Not much we can do about it

    Let's just create a fake 4 star football player profile named Kage Undomeroof, and tell Gordon McKernon he's interested in playing for LSU but needs $150k NIL deal.

    He's from Germany so not much tape.


  11. #116
    LouisianaB is online now Ragin Cajuns of Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns Fan for Sure

    Default Re: Cajundome Roof: Not much we can do about it

    Could never be a journalist in todays time. They get paid for clicks.


  12. #117

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    Quote Originally Posted by LouisianaB View Post
    I still want to know how we spent $50k on a chemical that made the roof “self-cleaning” and gave a “20-year clean warranty”, only to have the roof look terrible within 5 years (the roof was bad in 2021).

    Source: The Daily Disappointment https://www.theadvertiser.com/story/...ning/96499202/
    Have you priced Wet n Forget? There are a thousand cleaners & chemicals that claim to kill roof mold & mildew that don't do diddly pooh. Unfortunately the only way to keep the Cajun Dome roof clean is to clean it about every three years at the most. A lot of good discussion about money & funds to do this & where money comes from & where it goes. I have a question. Since every ticket you buy at the Cajundome has a handling fee, why not add a a maintenance fee of 2, or 3 dollars per event? This way the dome should be able to make most of the money to maintain themselves. Or is too much trouble to ask the people who live in the house to take care of the place that takes care of them?

  13. #118

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandwagon King View Post
    Have you priced Wet n Forget? There are a thousand cleaners & chemicals that claim to kill roof mold & mildew that don't do diddly pooh. Unfortunately the only way to keep the Cajun Dome roof clean is to clean it about every three years at the most. A lot of good discussion about money & funds to do this & where money comes from & where it goes. I have a question. Since every ticket you buy at the Cajundome has a handling fee, why not add a a maintenance fee of 2, or 3 dollars per event? This way the dome should be able to make most of the money to maintain themselves. Or is too much trouble to ask the people who live in the house to take care of the place that takes care of them?
    No
    CajunVic

  14. Default Re: Cajundome Roof: Not much we can do about it

    Monetize the roof and clean it yearly.


  15. #120

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    I wonder how many cans of flex seal it would take?


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